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essexgent Newbie Offline Posts: 3 essex basildon Gender: Drives: omega 2.2 cdx	ignition barrell jammed 06. Jun 2010 at 10:02 hi guys i need your help i own a omega 2.2 cdx 03 reg my ignition barrel wont turn when i put the key in it no matter how much i jiggle the key about in the ignition nothing happens can u please help thank you
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henryd Omega Baron Offline Posts: 2172 west cornwall Gender: Drives: Merc E220 estate,previous ride 2.5 elite estate	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #1 - 06. Jun 2010 at 10:05 if the steering is locked have you tried rocking the steering wheel as you turn the key
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essexgent Newbie Offline Posts: 3 essex basildon Gender: Drives: omega 2.2 cdx	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #2 - 06. Jun 2010 at 10:07 hi yes i have try'd that an still nothing the key refuses to turn the barrel i have even try'd a little bit of wd40 on key
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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #3 - 06. Jun 2010 at 10:21 I reckon you need to keep trying, removing and reinserting key. Once you have it turned to I, remove the barrel and service it.
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Marks DTM Calib Administrator Offline Ex Member Posts: 25671 Northern Hemisphere Gender: Drives: Astra J, Mum Bus, Dexta Tractor, 108 DMU wip	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #4 - 06. Jun 2010 at 10:25 Spray a bit of the (over rated) WD40 in to the barrel and leave for a few minutes Insert and remove the key 10-20 times. Try again
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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #5 - 06. Jun 2010 at 10:29 Marks DTM Calib wrote on 06. Jun 2010 at 10:25: Spray a bit of the (over rated) WD40 in to the barrel and leave for a few minutes Insert and remove the key 10-20 times. Try again Oi! It has its uses. Its quite good for bringing plastics back to black
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same #same# Intermediate Member Offline dont blame me im dyslexic Posts: 471 south yorks Gender: Drives: 2.0i CD, vectra 1.8	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #6 - 06. Jun 2010 at 10:46 may have some fluff from your pocket in the barrell, try a long needle in the lock, bend the point a bit and push in and out of the barrell see if you can get it out.
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RobG Omega Lord Offline I might have a link, pic or part number for that Posts: 7968 Bristol Gender: Drives: 53 plate 2.2 CD auto	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #7 - 06. Jun 2010 at 10:55 essexgent wrote on 06. Jun 2010 at 10:02: hi guys i need your help i own a omega 2.2 cdx 03 reg my ignition barrel wont turn when i put the key in it no matter how much i jiggle the key about in the ignition nothing happens can u please help thank you http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225657771
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cleggy Intermediate Member Offline Noli Illigitemi Carborundum Posts: 431 Nottingham Gender: Drives: Omega 2001 2.6 V6 CD Estate	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #8 - 06. Jun 2010 at 11:05 I had a similar problem with mine. I resovled it by covering the key in graphite ( rub a pencil lead over fine sandpaper) insert, and withdraw the key several times. Good as gold now.
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Re: ignition barrell jammed
Reply #9 - 06. Jun 2010 at 15:17

I had this problem with my old vectra twice dont use wd40 as this makes all the sliders inside stick, give it a tap lighty with a small hammer if this dont work it means a new barrel the problem is if wont turn then you can not get barrel out call local locksmith they dont charge much mine was about £35 but he will drill it out which means new barrel cost £54,try what cleggy has said better than wd40

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essexgent Newbie Offline Posts: 3 essex basildon Gender: Drives: omega 2.2 cdx	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #10 - 06. Jun 2010 at 19:27 thank you very much lads for all you are help an advice i will try all of these things
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Re: ignition barrell jammed
Reply #11 - 06. Jun 2010 at 21:31

From experience, and having refurbished ours after this problem, I'd say just don't bother with the various lubrication ideas, or the hitting with a hammer idea. Neither helped us.

The problem isn't friction, it's more one of fractional misalignment, or burrs caused by the tumblers hitting bits they shouldn't during previous attempts to turn the key when not fully in etc.
There's near-zero torque required to turn the key if everything's OK with the tumbler alignment, and the tumblers simply have to move when the key's inserted, there's no way they can 'stick'.

The problem comes through wear on the key, wear on the tumblers' surfaces that touch the key, and the wear/collisions between the outside surfaces of the tumblers and the inside suface of the barrel.

Persist and it will turn, then you can get the guts out, then you can disassemble and refurbish as per the guide. Thumbs Up!

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Andy B

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Re: ignition barrell jammed
Reply #12 - 06. Jun 2010 at 21:41

Abiton wrote on 06. Jun 2010 at 21:31:

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The problem comes through wear on the key, wear on the tumblers' surfaces that touch the key, and the wear/collisions between the outside surfaces of the tumblers and the inside suface of the barrel. .....

What are you all doing with your ignition barrels? There's 160 000 miles on my car, so you would expect some wear on the tumblers. But I've never had any problems with mine (touches wood as we speak/type), the same with my 170 000 mile Astra. The only problems I've ever had with either, is that the Astra woudn't give you the key when you turned the ignition off - but PTFE spray seems to have sorted it.
I'd say that lub WILL help. There are some very very tiny springs inside the barrel that lift each individual brass tumbler back to its rest position, if the grease in there has solidified, then the spring won't be able to return the tumbler to its start postion and may allow the tumbler to foul the key on removal/insertion.
Assuming you get the key to turn at some stage, I would remove the barrel & clean the whole thing up .... make sure you keep it all in order Grin

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robson Intermediate Member Offline Posts: 482 Nr Ashford Kent Gender: Drives: omega V6 CD 2003	Re: ignition barrell jammed Reply #13 - 07. Jun 2010 at 11:38 had the same problem kept trying and eventually turned ,dont risk using after having turned, I fitted a new barrel straight away.
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Re: ignition barrell jammed
Reply #14 - 07. Jun 2010 at 15:00

i just had this problem 2 hours ago.. i used a brake cleaner spray and sprayed inside the ignition until no more black stuff came out. carefull to put some wipes just below the ignition not to damage anything. i inserted the key a few times and sprayed again and after i thought it was clean i left it for 15 minutes to dry, then sprayed some wd40 and turned the key on and off untill it started to work smooth.

i don't know if it is the best way to do it and how much it will last but at least you won't be stuck somewhere because you can't turn the key. i will give feedback tomorow if it needs lubricating again or not

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