Well done to VXL V6 who cottoned on what I've been up to the past few weeks :y

Now its all in and working....

Head unit...
http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/IMG_2979.JPG

Display...
http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/IMG_2981.JPG

Made use of all that wasted space in Bose shelf :)
http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/IMG_2977.JPG


Still need to reassemble parcel shelf (hence the 'spares' in the boot), and cable tie up that bit of loom behind CD Changer.

Only mods to car loom were extending CAN and power from CD Changer plug (that was rerouted to bose shelf) to Telematics.

Everything else was done on a Traffic Master loom, and new bit of wire run from telematics to mic and to phone prewiring plug behind glovebox.

is it any good jaime ?? whats the sound quailty like ?? how much has it cost ???  8-)

markey mark wrote on 06. Oct 2008 at 20:58:

is it any good jaime ?? whats the sound quailty like ?? how much has it cost ???  8-)

The car already had Bose, on about par with the ccrt700 bose setup soundwise (still reckon ccr800 has the edge on clarity).

Only 4 disc cd changer, with it being CDC3.

Phone is easier to use than ccrt700, and works slightly better signal wise.

Satnav is miles better than Carin, much faster.  Also, better having it up on display, rather than low Carin position.

Tuner seems to be about the same, but much easier to select stations from menu.


All-in-all a huge improvement, and I'm very happy with it.  Only downsides are 4 disc changer (rather than 6, but you can use single slot on HU for audio if not using satnav, or route already planned), and I reckon ccr800 has a slight audio edge (comparing to ccr800 in tractor, though I know I have a faulty speaker in MV6).

Looks good!  :y

You're right, there's a lot of wasted space in the Bose shelf, the telematics and CDC3 seem to fit nicely in there!

I think the Siemens CDC3 loads the CD's and starts playing them faster than the Blaupunkt CDC2.

VXL V6 wrote on 06. Oct 2008 at 21:38:

Looks good!  :y You're right, there's a lot of wasted space in the Bose shelf, the telematics and CDC3 seem to fit nicely in there! I think the Siemens CDC3 loads the CD's and starts playing them faster than the Blaupunkt CDC2.

Not sure. Probably not much in it, though the CDC2 has 6 disks to check...

I must also thank Taxi Driver for giving me a part I was struggling with.

TheBoy wrote on 06. Oct 2008 at 21:58:

VXL V6 wrote on 06. Oct 2008 at 21:38: Looks good!  :y You're right, there's a lot of wasted space in the Bose shelf, the telematics and CDC3 seem to fit nicely in there! I think the Siemens CDC3 loads the CD's and starts playing them faster than the Blaupunkt CDC2. Not sure. Probably not much in it, though the CDC2 has 6 disks to check...

True, also CDC2 doesn't seem to suffer laser failure to the same degree as CDC3 when playing 'backup' CD's!

That is truly a thaang of beauty!  SO let me get this right. the satnav instructions are displayed on your MID?

Also can you scroll through your phone book on the telematics and it displays in the MID also?

How tidy is that!

sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 15:48:

That is truly a thaang of beauty!  SO let me get this right. the satnav instructions are displayed on your MID? Also can you scroll through your phone book on the telematics and it displays in the MID also? How tidy is that!

Correct.

I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy!

sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56:

I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy!

Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39:

sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y

Once I've you've fixed it ;D

I have a theory about getting the NCDR pairing code as well...  ::)

If anyone is that interested, I will do a short video showing it in action, as I know the NCDx setup will be unfamiliar to many.

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/06092008152.jpg

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/06092008149.jpg

color info display...as this... :)
How... sorry. Let me re frase that... youve obviosly got a way of pairing to that head unit....?

Very impressed  ;)

TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 18:56:

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39: sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y Once I've you've fixed it ;D I have a theory about getting the NCDR pairing code as well...  ::)

Drop me a PM  :y

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 08:23:

TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 18:56: Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39: sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y Once I've you've fixed it ;D I have a theory about getting the NCDR pairing code as well...  ::) Drop me a PM  :y

Said theory on hold after a chat with a certain member who knows more about such things than I do  :'(

TheBoy wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 08:54:

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 08:23: TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 18:56: Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39: sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y Once I've you've fixed it ;D I have a theory about getting the NCDR pairing code as well...  ::) Drop me a PM  :y Said theory on hold after a chat with a certain member who knows more about such things than I do  :'(

Tempted to read the prom for an unpaired unit, then pair it with a knwon code and then do a hex comapre of the files to see where the differences are....this should give location of the code in memory (and format although I suspect it might just be HEX).

Should then have the ability to examine a coded unit and identify the code

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 09:17:

TheBoy wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 08:54: Marks DTM Calib wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 08:23: TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 18:56: Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39: sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y Once I've you've fixed it ;D I have a theory about getting the NCDR pairing code as well...  ::) Drop me a PM  :y Said theory on hold after a chat with a certain member who knows more about such things than I do  :'( Tempted to read the prom for an unpaired unit, then pair it with a knwon code and then do a hex comapre of the files to see where the differences are....this should give location of the code in memory (and format although I suspect it might just be HEX). Should then have the ability to examine a coded unit and identify the code

That was going to be my method, but monitoring the CDC board.  Seems I may be barking up wrong tree though, guess I'll have to do similar in headunit or display, but display scares me, and I suspect its held in a microcontroller in head unit, so probably getting a little out of my depth  :'(

I have be told a few bits by an active, knowledgable member in this section, but will not pass on specifics - not that many people here would have the capabilities anyway.


Your particular issue, Marks DTM, is I guess simply getting a depaired 2013 and depaired CID (and possibly a depaired CDC3, but this may not be required??) onto your paired 2013 and probably paired CID?  Obviously, that would leave your GID useless.  I have a depaired 2013 and depaired CID, and if I can get into Mother Tunnie's car (::)), possible something with related to a CDC3 board.

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 09:17:

TheBoy wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 08:54: Marks DTM Calib wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 08:23: TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 18:56: Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39: sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y Once I've you've fixed it ;D I have a theory about getting the NCDR pairing code as well...  ::) Drop me a PM  :y Said theory on hold after a chat with a certain member who knows more about such things than I do  :'( Tempted to read the prom for an unpaired unit, then pair it with a knwon code and then do a hex comapre of the files to see where the differences are....this should give location of the code in memory (and format although I suspect it might just be HEX). Should then have the ability to examine a coded unit and identify the code

Might be better to pair with known code, read prom, pair with a different known code, and read again to compare?

Quote:

That was going to be my method, but monitoring the CDC board.  Seems I may be barking up wrong tree though, guess I'll have to do similar in headunit or display, but display scares me, and I suspect its held in a microcontroller in head unit

Correct on all counts - info is NOT stored on CDC3 but on head unit itself. Absolute Ba**ard to  interrogate, and if you find an easy way to do it, please let us know !!

:'(

Dave DND wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 09:48:

Quote: That was going to be my method, but monitoring the CDC board.  Seems I may be barking up wrong tree though, guess I'll have to do similar in headunit or display, but display scares me, and I suspect its held in a microcontroller in head unit Correct on all counts - info is NOT stored on CDC3 but on head unit itself. Absolute Ba**ard to  interrogate, and if you find an easy way to do it, please let us know !! :'(

What about reading code from display - is that easier?  Once we can work out what the code is, I can depair via tech2 - which is the ideal solution, as it overcomes the uncertainty around the telematics :y

TheBoy wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 10:09:

Dave DND wrote on 09. Oct 2008 at 09:48: Quote: That was going to be my method, but monitoring the CDC board.  Seems I may be barking up wrong tree though, guess I'll have to do similar in headunit or display, but display scares me, and I suspect its held in a microcontroller in head unit Correct on all counts - info is NOT stored on CDC3 but on head unit itself. Absolute Ba**ard to  interrogate, and if you find an easy way to do it, please let us know !! :'( What about reading code from display - is that easier?  Once we can work out what the code is, I can depair via tech2 - which is the ideal solution, as it overcomes the uncertainty around the telematics :y

PM sent    :y

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Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39:

sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y

Which it now is :D

TheBoy wrote on 22. Oct 2008 at 21:20:

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39: sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y Which it now is :D

Wahey! Makes the NCDR far more useable, not least with the full Nav map display.

VXL V6 wrote on 22. Oct 2008 at 21:29:

TheBoy wrote on 22. Oct 2008 at 21:20: Marks DTM Calib wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 08:39: sev wrote on 07. Oct 2008 at 18:56: I'm in love with the display... it's so tidy! Just wait until the CID is fitted  :y Which it now is :D Wahey! Makes the NCDR far more useable, not least with the full Nav map display.

I'm not convinced I don't prefer the GID if I'm honest.

Things I like about the CID - the clock is ALWAYS displayed (approaching junctions, clock o=not displayed on GID), and that the pictorial satnav screen shows distance to destination without delving into menus.

The pop-up map of complex junctions is handy on CID as well.

fair play!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 19:00:

If anyone is that interested, I will do a short video showing it in action, as I know the NCDx setup will be unfamiliar to many.

Video time then? I have to say, thats bloody impressive Jamie. Having seen, or got a bit of an idea more likely, of what you had to go through to pair the cid to head unit i am amazed. I posted pics thinking you would never crack it, i am sorry i doubted you. Fair play indeed...

I reckon you might be ready to convert a cid to work with tv out on n95 now then? I have not given up on that "little mod"... ::)

CID now fitted and working in my facelift!

Well done Mark!  :y

Good work fella!

So have you now got the ability to 'fix' non paired units?

Jimbob wrote on 25. Oct 2008 at 20:05:

Good work fella! So have you now got the ability to 'fix' non paired units?

Possibly  :y

chrisgixer wrote on 24. Oct 2008 at 00:06:

TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 19:00: If anyone is that interested, I will do a short video showing it in action, as I know the NCDx setup will be unfamiliar to many. Video time then? I have to say, thats bloody impressive Jamie. Having seen, or got a bit of an idea more likely, of what you had to go through to pair the cid to head unit i am amazed. I posted pics thinking you would never crack it, i am sorry i doubted you. Fair play indeed... I reckon you might be ready to convert a cid to work with tv out on n95 now then? I have not given up on that "little mod"... ::)

The actual panel is has a PAL/NTSC RGB input. If you read the datasheet for the panel (LQ5AW126), you should gleen enough info to be able to make a decoder and converter.

Not having an N95, its not something I would ever do. Sorry.  I did toy with somehow connecting up a PC/DVD and using it, but thought it may be distracting, and thus irresponsible. Besides, a cheap portable DVD player is so cheap now, not worth the effort...

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 25. Oct 2008 at 15:03:

CID now fitted and working in my facelift!

Brilliant news - but can she use it ;D

TheBoy wrote on 26. Oct 2008 at 11:14:

chrisgixer wrote on 24. Oct 2008 at 00:06: TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 19:00: If anyone is that interested, I will do a short video showing it in action, as I know the NCDx setup will be unfamiliar to many. Video time then? I have to say, thats bloody impressive Jamie. Having seen, or got a bit of an idea more likely, of what you had to go through to pair the cid to head unit i am amazed. I posted pics thinking you would never crack it, i am sorry i doubted you. Fair play indeed... I reckon you might be ready to convert a cid to work with tv out on n95 now then? I have not given up on that "little mod"... ::) The actual panel is has a PAL/NTSC RGB input. If you read the datasheet for the panel (LQ5AW126), you should gleen enough info to be able to make a decoder and converter. Not having an N95, its not something I would ever do. Sorry.  I did toy with somehow connecting up a PC/DVD and using it, but thought it may be distracting, and thus irresponsible. Besides, a cheap portable DVD player is so cheap now, not worth the effort...

Would be quite nice to hook up a reversing camera to it. Then again I just wait until the beeps turn into a continuous beep followed by a thud!  ;D

VXL V6 wrote on 26. Oct 2008 at 20:46:

TheBoy wrote on 26. Oct 2008 at 11:14: chrisgixer wrote on 24. Oct 2008 at 00:06: TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 19:00: If anyone is that interested, I will do a short video showing it in action, as I know the NCDx setup will be unfamiliar to many. Video time then? I have to say, thats bloody impressive Jamie. Having seen, or got a bit of an idea more likely, of what you had to go through to pair the cid to head unit i am amazed. I posted pics thinking you would never crack it, i am sorry i doubted you. Fair play indeed... I reckon you might be ready to convert a cid to work with tv out on n95 now then? I have not given up on that "little mod"... ::) The actual panel is has a PAL/NTSC RGB input. If you read the datasheet for the panel (LQ5AW126), you should gleen enough info to be able to make a decoder and converter. Not having an N95, its not something I would ever do. Sorry.  I did toy with somehow connecting up a PC/DVD and using it, but thought it may be distracting, and thus irresponsible. Besides, a cheap portable DVD player is so cheap now, not worth the effort... Would be quite nice to hook up a reversing camera to it. Then again I just wait until the beeps turn into a continuous beep followed by a thud!  ;D

The info is in the datasheets - you would need a mechanism to switch the CID and the other input in, but could use CID inverter for backlights.

The hardest part is the sync.....LCD's normaly require a Hsync and V sync....so you need a converter to take the RGB sync and split it into the two sub components to feed the display.

Thats the hardest part, the only other requirement is a few switches to swap the signals over (plenty of those available for such applications)

TheBoy wrote on 26. Oct 2008 at 11:14:

chrisgixer wrote on 24. Oct 2008 at 00:06: TheBoy wrote on 08. Oct 2008 at 19:00: If anyone is that interested, I will do a short video showing it in action, as I know the NCDx setup will be unfamiliar to many. Video time then? I have to say, thats bloody impressive Jamie. Having seen, or got a bit of an idea more likely, of what you had to go through to pair the cid to head unit i am amazed. I posted pics thinking you would never crack it, i am sorry i doubted you. Fair play indeed... I reckon you might be ready to convert a cid to work with tv out on n95 now then? I have not given up on that "little mod"... ::) The actual panel is has a PAL/NTSC RGB input. If you read the datasheet for the panel (LQ5AW126), you should gleen enough info to be able to make a decoder and converter. Not having an N95, its not something I would ever do. Sorry.  I did toy with somehow connecting up a PC/DVD and using it, but thought it may be distracting, and thus irresponsible. Besides, a cheap portable DVD player is so cheap now, not worth the effort...

Oh go on, have a go. My cid has found a couple more bad pixels so i think its going to need a replacement/repair sooner or later the way its going. So i'd be happy to send it when fixed and its out of the dash anyway?? A few quid in it for you..?...£££ :-)

Had a couple of queries about the NCDx satnav in use, so posting up some vids. Apologies for camera shake, difficult to keep still while Mrs TB is rallying around the traffic calming measures around here

http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/inuse/MVI_3761_640x480.flv

http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/inuse/MVI_3762_640x480.flv

http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/inuse/MVI_3763_640x480.flv

http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/inuse/MVI_3764_640x480.flv

http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/ncdr1500_install/inuse/MVI_3769_640x480.flv

really does look like an impresive bit of kit!

Hi TB, how come you’re CID has a clear red griffin when in stand by; “looks ok” mine on the other hand is a very pale white which you can hardly see!!

Regards

Harvin

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/trevharvey/HPIM0615-1.jpg

tmx wrote on 19. May 2009 at 21:52:

really does look like an impresive bit of kit!

Its not, NCDx sat nav is very poor and very basic.

You cannot do a postcode search, and sometimes you cannot put in the house number in the road you are finding, it asks you for an 'intersection' only which is crap if you have never been there so you don't know what roads it intersects with!

You will be suprised how many roads there are that have different postcodes and if you dont 'guess' the right 'intersection' you can end up in totally the wrong place

That opinion above is based, by the way, on using an NCDC 2015 for the last 2 months with the latest 2008 disc and updates, I also have the telematics, which is ok,  rest of system is basically the same as above but i also have the air con distribution options as part of mine

Harvin wrote on 20. May 2009 at 19:36:

Hi TB, how come you’re CID has a clear red griffin when in stand by; “looks ok” mine on the other hand is a very pale white which you can hardly see!! Regards Harvin http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/trevharvey/HPIM0615-1.jpg

The idiot who reprogrammed the config only did half a job.  I bet you have a black background display when listening to the stereo as well rather than the normal white/grey (which then goes black when you turn lights on)

Phil wrote on 20. May 2009 at 19:43:

tmx wrote on 19. May 2009 at 21:52: really does look like an impresive bit of kit! Its not, NCDx sat nav is very poor and very basic. You cannot do a postcode search, and sometimes you cannot put in the house number in the road you are finding, it asks you for an 'intersection' only which is crap if you have never been there so you don't know what roads it intersects with! You will be suprised how many roads there are that have different postcodes and if you dont 'guess' the right 'intersection' you can end up in totally the wrong place That opinion above is based, by the way, on using an NCDC 2015 for the last 2 months with the latest 2008 disc and updates, I also have the telematics, which is ok,  rest of system is basically the same as above but i also have the air con distribution options as part of mine

Its a decent, and VERY accurate system.  Yes, it can't do postcodes, that may or may not be a big issue for most.

As for the house numbers, it depends on the map, and both Navteq and Teleatlas (the only 2 mapping companies) are approximately the same for house number coverage (both pretty poor).

It lacks warnings for POIs, and no easy way to upgrade POIs.


Where is scores massively over handheld stuff is accuracy - no portable unit can get close to any fitted unit.

Hi TB, yes the screen is black / white with the GPS icon in the top right-hand corner which can be green, amber or red dependant on signal.
However the screen remains the same regardless of the lights being on or off, all my displays do fractionally dim when the lights are turn on.

Do you think I need an update? :-?


Regards

Harvin

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/trevharvey/HPIM0624-1.jpg

Harvin wrote on 22. May 2009 at 17:23:

Hi TB, yes the screen is black / white with the GPS icon in the top right-hand corner which can be green, amber or red dependant on signal. However the screen remains the same regardless of the lights being on or off, all my displays do fractionally dim when the lights are turn on. Do you think I need an update? :-? Regards Harvin http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/trevharvey/HPIM0624-1.jpg

Depends if you like it like that. The other, more common, scheme is as per mine in the vids about.

Yours is the default after the CID has been reconfigured.

Sorry to bring up an old post but did any of you's look into getting av input to the CID i know there's a kit out there for the cd70 CID

bigmac wrote on 11. Jul 2009 at 17:32:

Sorry to bring up an old post but did any of you's look into getting av input to the CID i know there's a kit out there for the cd70 CID

Not tried any further, not something I would use myself.  The datasheet for the cid shows it should be fairly easy

Looks good TB mate  :y

Anyone fancy trying it  ::) is it just a matter of making an adapter up and switch

bigmac wrote on 12. Jul 2009 at 11:48:

Anyone fancy trying it  ::) is it just a matter of making an adapter up and switch

Not something I would ever use, so doubt I'd ever invest the time and effort in making something up to be honest.  Others may fancy a shot though :-/

Would guess you need to feed rgb in through rgb (need to investigate sync more), then get some kind of switching to tell the screen to go to rgb mode (much like the map display does). Or switch into lcd ribbon itself.

Looks good TB mate.Shame i cant do that with my miggy

Miggy24 wrote on 16. Jul 2009 at 12:44:

Looks good TB mate.Shame i cant do that with my miggy

Why not?

Because on my dash screen it only tells me the time date and outside temp.When you look at it you can see that the bottom part is blacked off.

Miggy24 wrote on 17. Jul 2009 at 07:23:

Because on my dash screen it only tells me the time date and outside temp.When you look at it you can see that the bottom part is blacked off.

Thats not a reason ;)

You are missing Check Control from your car, so you would need to diable that in the display to prevent lots of annoying warnings...

Isn`t that a GID ? 

(Non colour screen - just pixelated text?)

Sorry if i`ve got the terms wrong  :-[

[quote author=674255467C676D67230 link=1223312555/57#57 date=1247819322]Isn`t that a GID ? 

(Non colour screen - just pixelated text?)

Sorry if i`ve got the terms wrong  :-[/quote]
No, Miggy24 will have TID - can only display time/radio/temp.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1153215783

Yeah thats right Dave.so TB can i do that with my car then as i dont have any of the other stuff on my car screen i.e fuel range coolant leval etc

Miggy24 wrote on 17. Jul 2009 at 09:46:

Yeah thats right Dave.so TB can i do that with my car then as i dont have any of the other stuff on my car screen i.e fuel range coolant leval etc

Yes - you need to change the screen anyway for NCDR head unit.  The screen you get for the NCDR (either GID or CID) will need to have check control disabled via tech2.  This will give you fuel computer functions as well.

Is the check control on the wiper arm as i have no buttons to that.I took the cowl off to look at the wires and there is a small block but thats for the speed of the wipers

Miggy24 wrote on 17. Jul 2009 at 10:21:

Is the check control on the wiper arm as i have no buttons to that.I took the cowl off to look at the wires and there is a small block but thats for the speed of the wipers

You can't use the check control at all. Your car is missing too many bits.

With NCDx series stereos, all fuel computer functions, satnav functions, etc are controlled from stereo itself, and steering wheel audio controls if your car has those fitted.