really? Glue + stand to make some nice designs? Thought it would be a good idea to introduce kids of engery use  :-/

tunnie wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 16:16:

really? Glue + stand to make some nice designs? Thought it would be a good idea to introduce kids of engery use  :-/

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I'm going nuclear.

Not a bad idea. That'll reduce your carbon footprint. ;D

Just fit a "Mr. Fusion" to the Omega.  :y

Seriously, if you need any suggestions for this "sand message" I'm sure we can come up with something. ;)

Kevin

Nickbat wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 16:09:

From my daughter's primary school newsletter today: "There has recently been a great deal on the news about the problems of Climate Change. On 7 December, world leaders will meet in Copenhagen to make a global agreement to cut carbon emissions. Inspired by ideas from ActionAid, [the name] school council will be making messages from sand to send to Ed Miliband (the government minister who will be representing the UK). The sand will represent the droughts that are turning the land to dust in East Africa. If you would like to be involved please make sand messages at home to bring to school on 16 November." "Sign up to the 10:10 challenege -www.10910uk.org - to reduce your energy use at home." These are kids aged 4-11! This is political propaganda, nothing less!  >:( >:( I'm going nuclear. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

This is an excellent idea.......Making children aware from an early age...... about the potential problems of global warming. ;) ;)
I do not believe this to be indoctrination... ;) ;)
after all ......it is our kids future more than ours.. :) :) :) ;)
You may disagree ....with me Nickbat.....  ::) ::) ;) ;):)

Opti wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 16:46:

Nickbat wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 16:09: From my daughter's primary school newsletter today: "There has recently been a great deal on the news about the problems of Climate Change. On 7 December, world leaders will meet in Copenhagen to make a global agreement to cut carbon emissions. Inspired by ideas from ActionAid, [the name] school council will be making messages from sand to send to Ed Miliband (the government minister who will be representing the UK). The sand will represent the droughts that are turning the land to dust in East Africa. If you would like to be involved please make sand messages at home to bring to school on 16 November." "Sign up to the 10:10 challenege -www.10910uk.org - to reduce your energy use at home." These are kids aged 4-11! This is political propaganda, nothing less!  >:( >:( I'm going nuclear. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( This is an excellent idea.......Making children aware from an early age...... about the potential problems of global warming. ;) ;) I do not believe this to be indoctrination... ;) ;) after all ......it is our kids future more than ours.. :) :) :) ;) You may disagree ....with me Nickbat.....  ::) ::) ;) ;):)

Haven't you...............................worn the ..........................full stop button.........................................out yet...............?

.......................................................................................................doesnt.................................................................look......................................................................................................................................................................like................................................................................................it.



:D :D ;D ;D ;D

If these messages are going to Ed Milliband think of what you could write  ::) ::)

i wonder if you could get a group of parents together & kick up a stink about it, i think its disgusting "grooming" kids on an unproven subject like this. >:( >:( >:(

Thanks, Alf, but I have deleted the original post as I have decided not to discuss the issue on here.

I'm very angry, but I don't think I can adequately explain my views on here without getting into a slanging match with AGW believers.  :(

wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 16:48:

Opti wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 16:46: Nickbat wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 16:09: From my daughter's primary school newsletter today: "There has recently been a great deal on the news about the problems of Climate Change. On 7 December, world leaders will meet in Copenhagen to make a global agreement to cut carbon emissions. Inspired by ideas from ActionAid, [the name] school council will be making messages from sand to send to Ed Miliband (the government minister who will be representing the UK). The sand will represent the droughts that are turning the land to dust in East Africa. If you would like to be involved please make sand messages at home to bring to school on 16 November." "Sign up to the 10:10 challenege -www.10910uk.org - to reduce your energy use at home." These are kids aged 4-11! This is political propaganda, nothing less!  >:( >:( I'm going nuclear. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( This is an excellent idea.......Making children aware from an early age...... about the potential problems of global warming. ;) ;) I do not believe this to be indoctrination... ;) ;) after all ......it is our kids future more than ours.. :) :) :) ;) You may disagree ....with me Nickbat.....  ::) ::) ;) ;):) Haven't you...............................worn the ..........................full stop button.........................................out yet...............?

Sadly......I'am......... illiterate...............uneducated.........inarticulate..........and lacking in any sort of sophistication whatsoever........what more can I tell you..........you will just have to make allowances for me.... ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)

Opti wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 17:08:

Sadly......I'am......... illiterate...............uneducated.........inarticulate..........and lacking in any sort of sophistication whatsoever........what more can I tell you..........you will just have to make allowances for me.... ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)

;D ;D splendid Opti  8-) 8-) ;D ;D :y

Desperate Den wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 17:37:

Opti wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 17:08: Sadly......I'am......... illiterate...............uneducated.........inarticulate..........and lacking in any sort of sophistication whatsoever........what more can I tell you..........you will just have to make allowances for me.... ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;) ;D ;D splendid............ Opti  8-) 8-) ;D ;D :y

:y ;D

wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 17:40:

Desperate Den wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 17:37: Opti wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 17:08: Sadly......I'am......... illiterate...............uneducated.........inarticulate..........and lacking in any sort of sophistication whatsoever........what more can I tell you..........you will just have to make allowances for me.... ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;) ;D ;D splendid............ Opti  8-) 8-) ;D ;D :y :y ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y 8-)

Your title gave me a good idea.

A power station of a type which doesn't do CO2 and lives next to the sea ;D

i think Nickbat could generate enough power for a small town, purely from his anger  ;D

tunnie wrote on 11. Nov 2009 at 20:47:

i think Nickbat could generate enough power for a small town, purely from his anger ;D

I could not possibly comment..... ::) ::) ;)

I have to say that I agree, this is a programming of small shildren rather than an approach to make them aware of the background of the subject when they are older so they can make thier own decision.

There will be some lefty tree hugging smart smart car driving teacher involved somewhere.

However, think what you could write!

The crazy thing is the environmental damage which will be done in sending such a weighty package of sand covered pictures  ;D

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 08:13:

I have to say that I agree, this is a programming of small shildren rather than an approach to make them aware of the background of the subject when they are older so they can make thier own decision. There will be some lefty tree hugging smart smart car driving teacher involved somewhere. However, think what you could write! The crazy thing is the environmental damage which will be done in sending such a weighty package of sand covered pictures  ;D

Thank you for your agreement, Mark. :y 

I have sent a letter to the head in which I posed the question "How can it be ethical to encourage children to support a government minister to sign a document the children cannot even read, yet alone understand?"

I also pointed out that Section 407 of the 1996 Education Act prohibits bringing political issues to the attention of pupils unless they are offered a balanced
presentation of opposing views.

I'm not holding my breath, but I am satisfied that I have spoken out on this issue.

yep, im with you on this nickbat.

I believe it is good thing that children are given information about possible global warming.......although I'am very much against this becoming so overpowering.......that it turns into propaganda/indoctrination.....
This message would be too much for a four year old child to understand..........but older children 8-11....should be starting to have a rudimentary understanding .....of climate change.... :y :y :y.

Opti wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 11:13:

I believe it is good thing that children are given information about possible global warming.......although I'am very much against this becoming so overpowering.......that it turns into propaganda/indoctrination..... This message would be too much for a four year old child to understand..........but older children 8-11....should be starting to have a rudimentary understanding .....of climate change.... :y :y :y.

Better still, they should be presented with the facts, in order to form their own opinion, not presented with a view that leads them to believe it is fact!  That is not understanding, that is programming ............... and is wrong! (whatever your views on climate)

Climate change lol it seems like we are killing everything just because we are leaving the light on while taking a piss. Why i ask my self. Have there never been climate changes on this earth before???? Well funny i say that because i think there have been quite a few and i dont remember dino driving round on a petrol drinking c02 emmiting chariot. But i suppose we will just have to pump Billions of pounds into wind farms just to see.

Allenm wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 13:53:

Opti wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 11:13: I believe it is good thing that children are given information about possible global warming.......although I'am very much against this becoming so overpowering.......that it turns into propaganda/indoctrination..... This message would be too much for a four year old child to understand..........but older children 8-11....should be starting to have a rudimentary understanding .....of climate change.... :y :y :y. Better still, they should be presented with the facts, in order to form their own opinion, not presented with a view that leads them to believe it is fact!  That is not understanding, that is programming ............... and is wrong! (whatever your views on climate)

Would that be the facts supplied...by the "global warming is real and unimagined"..group........or the facts supplied by the "global warming is a huge scam"...group...... ::) ;)
I agree......... that the whole Global warming saga is ambiguous.........but I know which camp I prefer to be in .........at present...... :y :y :y

Opti wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 14:25:

Allenm wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 13:53: Opti wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 11:13: I believe it is good thing that children are given information about possible global warming.......although I'am very much against this becoming so overpowering.......that it turns into propaganda/indoctrination..... This message would be too much for a four year old child to understand..........but older children 8-11....should be starting to have a rudimentary understanding .....of climate change.... :y :y :y. Better still, they should be presented with the facts, in order to form their own opinion, not presented with a view that leads them to believe it is fact!  That is not understanding, that is programming ............... and is wrong! (whatever your views on climate) Would that be the facts supplied...by the "global warming is real and unimagined"..group........or the facts supplied by the "global warming is a huge scam"...group...... ::) ;) I agree......... that the whole Global warming saga is ambiguous.........but I know which camp I prefer to be in .........at present...... :y :y :y

No, That would be the FACTS, no opinion either way!  that is what is required for informed opinion rather than brainwashing.  [insert your favourite smiley here]

There are no arguments over global warming, the question is the driver behind it be it CO2 emissions or natural global cycles.

I personaly have examined the available facts and infer that CO2 emissions are not contributing to global warming in any significant way (as backed up by the latest scientific studies), others infer a different cause.

But, its the facts that should be presented, not some 'do this because this is the cause' approach.

I have to say that I am worred about our over consumption and throw away apporoach....but thats a different matter all together.

Trouble is that the politicians are using global warming as the new window tax!

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 14:59:

There are no arguments over global warming, the question is the driver behind it be it CO2 emissions or natural global cycles. I personaly have examined the available facts and infer that CO2 emissions are not contributing to global warming in any significant way (as backed up by the latest scientific studies), others infer a different cause. But, its the facts that should be presented, not some 'do this because this is the cause' approach. I have to say that I am worred about our over consumption and throw away apporoach....but thats a different matter all together. Trouble is that the politicians are using global warming as the new window tax!

Do you remember the window tax?.......Mark... ::) :D ;)

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 12. Nov 2009 at 14:59:

There are no arguments over global warming, the question is the driver behind it be it CO2 emissions or natural global cycles. I personaly have examined the available facts and infer that CO2 emissions are not contributing to global warming in any significant way (as backed up by the latest scientific studies), others infer a different cause. But, its the facts that should be presented, not some 'do this because this is the cause' approach. I have to say that I am worred about our over consumption and throw away apporoach....but thats a different matter all together. Trouble is that the politicians are using global warming as the new window tax!

Exactly.
I'm from the David Bellamy School of Environmentalism

“And my opinion is that there is absolutely no proof that carbon dioxide is anything to do with any impending catastrophe. The ¬science has, quite simply, gone awry. In fact, it’s not even science any more, it’s anti-science…”

“…The thing that annoys me most is that there are genuine environmental problems that desperately require attention. I’m still an environmentalist, I’m still a Green and I’m still campaigning to stop the destruction of the biodiversity of the world. But money will be wasted on trying to solve this global warming “problem” that I would much rather was used for looking after the people of the world.”
Professor David Bellamy, 5 November 2008

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