As if last week's shenanigans weren't enough, my boy (5) comes home with more environment stuff today. Now some of it's OK-ish: a chart to log when he takes the three-pin plug out of the socket after watching TV and so on ( ;), but included in the documents was a sheet entitled "Top Tips for Parents". This includes the usual stuff like not using the car, but walking, cycling, taking the train or bus etc (like the teachers do  ::) ::)), not flying when you go on holiday (which is tough if you want to visit granny in Oz), eating less meat and so on.

Great. I've always wanted to be lectured to by someone just out of teacher training.

But it gets worse...

Tip No 9 is: Become an expert. It contains three web addresses...all for kids. You couldn't become a climate expert if you spent the next 50 years at these sites. What you could become is an expert in indoctrination. The worst site is Tiki the Penguin. The climate pages are full of the usual guff, but I took a wander round the rest of it.

From Tiki the Penguin interviewed by a friend
http://tiki.oneworld.net/display.html#team

What is Tiki's mission?
He has no strong views about his own - or penguins' importance - in the web of Life. But he has very strong views about self-important humans who are messing up the life of his penguin friends and relations and of practically all life everywhere. This is his mission. He wants to take you on a journey to see what humans are doing to other life and to the planet all of us are supposed to share.

Are animals cleverer than we think?
Tiki knows perfectly well that they are. 'You humans think we animals are dumb,' he chuckled, 'but we're not. Just long suffering and patient. I want to hijack your cleverness - with Internets and computers and high-speed communications - and try to put matters to rights a little if I can … using your methods.' As just one example of how dumb people can be, he noted, 'You get lost and have to make special machines to tell you where you are. We birds never get lost. Some of us can fly or swim thousands of miles and find our way back to our nest sites. So can turtles and many other apparently simple creatures. Yet you folks don't know how we do this … and I'm not telling you how. I bet you used to know - once - before you got so clever.'

Don't you think 'being clever' is a virtue?
'I don't think so. I've noticed you rate 'clever' people highly. To me, what you call 'cleverness' usually means trouble. 'Clever' people invent nasty things - like atomic bombs, deadly pesticides, guns, engines which burn oil and wreck the atmosphere. You now play God with life itself. And almost all this damage seems to be because of your lust for those most dangerous things: money and power.'

This is an odious, misanthropic site which I would probably ignore if it was meant for adults. But it's not.

Your kids may well be reading this propaganda at school.

Be worried.  >:( >:( >:(

Add this line to HOSTS and let him look then ;D ;D ;D ;D

127.0.0.1 tiki.oneworld.net

Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 21:54:

Add this line to HOSTS and let him look then ;D ;D ;D ;D 127.0.0.1 tiki.oneworld.net

You've lost me there!  :-/

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 22:05:

Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 21:54: Add this line to HOSTS and let him look then ;D ;D ;D ;D 127.0.0.1 tiki.oneworld.net You've lost me there!  :-/

Part a joke - there is a file in Windows which you can stop a web site from being accessed - I block most advertising sites, I was joking about stopping him accessing hte site

Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 22:08:

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 22:05: Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 21:54: Add this line to HOSTS and let him look then ;D ;D ;D ;D 127.0.0.1 tiki.oneworld.net You've lost me there!  :-/ Part a joke - there is a file in Windows which you can stop a web site from being accessed - I block most advertising sites, I was joking about stopping him accessing hte site

My boy's only 5, so I don't think he'll be going there..at least not from home. At school? Every chance that this will be accessible.

Driving him home from swimming lessons, he once again piped up about all the cars "making the air bad".

I need to de-program him when he's a bit older. ;)

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 21:43:

As if last week's shenanigans weren't enough, my boy (5) comes home with more environment stuff today. Now some of it's OK-ish: a chart to log when he takes the three-pin plug out of the socket after watching TV and so on ( ;), but included in the documents was a sheet entitled "Top Tips for Parents". This includes the usual stuff like not using the car, but walking, cycling, taking the train or bus etc (like the teachers do  ::) ::)), not flying when you go on holiday (which is tough if you want to visit granny in Oz), eating less meat and so on. Great. I've always wanted to be lectured to by someone just out of teacher training. But it gets worse... Tip No 9 is: Become an expert. It contains three web addresses...all for kids. You couldn't become a climate expert if you spent the next 50 years at these sites. What you could become is an expert in indoctrination. The worst site is Tiki the Penguin. The climate pages are full of the usual guff, but I took a wander round the rest of it. From Tiki the Penguin interviewed by a friend http://tiki.oneworld.net/display.html#team What is Tiki's mission? He has no strong views about his own - or penguins' importance - in the web of Life. But he has very strong views about self-important humans who are messing up the life of his penguin friends and relations and of practically all life everywhere. This is his mission. He wants to take you on a journey to see what humans are doing to other life and to the planet all of us are supposed to share. Are animals cleverer than we think? Tiki knows perfectly well that they are. 'You humans think we animals are dumb,' he chuckled, 'but we're not. Just long suffering and patient. I want to hijack your cleverness - with Internets and computers and high-speed communications - and try to put matters to rights a little if I can … using your methods.' As just one example of how dumb people can be, he noted, 'You get lost and have to make special machines to tell you where you are. We birds never get lost. Some of us can fly or swim thousands of miles and find our way back to our nest sites. So can turtles and many other apparently simple creatures. Yet you folks don't know how we do this … and I'm not telling you how. I bet you used to know - once - before you got so clever.' Don't you think 'being clever' is a virtue? 'I don't think so. I've noticed you rate 'clever' people highly. To me, what you call 'cleverness' usually means trouble. 'Clever' people invent nasty things - like atomic bombs, deadly pesticides, guns, engines which burn oil and wreck the atmosphere. You now play God with life itself. And almost all this damage seems to be because of your lust for those most dangerous things: money and power.' This is an odious, misanthropic site which I would probably ignore if it was meant for adults. But it's not. Your kids may well be reading this propaganda at school. Be worried.  >:( >:( >:(

So, your son's school are encouraging 5 year olds to pull out plugs, not all will have been shown how to do this safely and under supervision.....I would be stottin..... >:(

Vamps wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 22:16:

So, your son's school are encouraging 5 year olds to pull out plugs, not all will have been shown how to do this safely and under supervision.....I would be stottin..... >:(

.. instead of educating them on the insignificant amount of energy used by appliances when they are switched off these days... and the fact that messing about with sockets will kill them.  >:(

I wonder if they teach them to block the holes up so the electricity doesn't leak out over night and melt the ice caps, etc.  >:(

Kevin

Kevin Wood wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:09:

Vamps wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 22:16: So, your son's school are encouraging 5 year olds to pull out plugs, not all will have been shown how to do this safely and under supervision.....I would be stottin..... >:( .. instead of educating them on the insignificant amount of energy used by appliances when they are switched off these days... and the fact that messing about with sockets will kill them.  >:( I wonder if they teach them to block the holes up so the electricity doesn't leak out over night and melt the ice caps, etc.  >:( Kevin

As I said.  This is worthy of a Child Protection referral against the head, not the teacher......... I would if what is said is correct and it was my child.... >:(
Nickbat, if you don't want to but think there is a concern, send me the evidence and I will happily 'stir things up'.........

Vamps wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:21:

Kevin Wood wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:09: Vamps wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 22:16: So, your son's school are encouraging 5 year olds to pull out plugs, not all will have been shown how to do this safely and under supervision.....I would be stottin..... >:( .. instead of educating them on the insignificant amount of energy used by appliances when they are switched off these days... and the fact that messing about with sockets will kill them.  >:( I wonder if they teach them to block the holes up so the electricity doesn't leak out over night and melt the ice caps, etc.  >:( Kevin As I said.  This is worthy of a Child Protection referral against the head, not the teacher......... I would if what is said is correct and it was my child.... >:( Nickbat, if you don't want to but think there is a concern, send me the evidence and I will happily 'stir things up'.........

Just to clarify: In the child's chart, it says "Switch the television off stand-by" to earn a star. We have one TV (in my daughter's room) that requires the three-pin plug to be pulled to achieve this. So, that one alone would require the child to isolate the TV from the mains.

It also says "Turn off your taps when brushing your teeth". I guess he could manage that, but my boiler problem currently means I have to let a few million gallons go before the heat kicks in to wash his face! ;D ;D

Don't tell the teacher, or I'll have the climate police round.  ;)

My TV has a switch on the top I use that.

PVRs, Humax is good, Pace not bad BT Box better since update

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:33:

It also says "Turn off your taps when brushing your teeth". I guess he could manage that, but my boiler problem currently means I have to let a few million gallons go before the heat kicks in to wash his face! ;D ;D Don't tell the teacher, or I'll have the climate police round.  ;)

We are careful with water - lower bills.

No shortage of water but it waste the processing of it

Actually, how much leccy does a TV in standby consume?  :-/

Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:35:

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:33: It also says "Turn off your taps when brushing your teeth". I guess he could manage that, but my boiler problem currently means I have to let a few million gallons go before the heat kicks in to wash his face! ;D ;D Don't tell the teacher, or I'll have the climate police round.  ;) We are careful with water - lower bills. No shortage of water but it waste the processing of it

Thankfully, I'm not metered....yet.  ;)

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:36:

Actually, how much leccy does a TV in standby consume?  :-/

More than one turned off.

TBH it is easier turning them on and off on the TV - while it is powering up - look for the remote - ready to press green to get rid of that stupid press red message

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:37:

Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:35: Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:33: It also says "Turn off your taps when brushing your teeth". I guess he could manage that, but my boiler problem currently means I have to let a few million gallons go before the heat kicks in to wash his face! ;D ;D Don't tell the teacher, or I'll have the climate police round.  ;) We are careful with water - lower bills. No shortage of water but it waste the processing of it Thankfully, I'm not metered....yet.  ;)

Never mind - it saves a fortune over rates

Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:38:

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:37: Martin Imber wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:35: Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:33: It also says "Turn off your taps when brushing your teeth". I guess he could manage that, but my boiler problem currently means I have to let a few million gallons go before the heat kicks in to wash his face! ;D ;D Don't tell the teacher, or I'll have the climate police round.  ;) We are careful with water - lower bills. No shortage of water but it waste the processing of it Thankfully, I'm not metered....yet.  ;) Never mind - it saves a fortune over rates

We are not on a water meter, and we have no water shortage either..... ::)

I'm not at all surprised when one considers;

BOCA RATON — Confused Palm Beach County voters helped thwart Al Gore's 2000 bid to become president of the United States, but he was introduced as "president of the planet" when he returned here Saturday night to deliver an environmental lecture.

or

"So, in essence, he's president of the people. He's president of the planet. And the work that he's doing is more important than any other work that could possibly be done."

or

Organizers allowed the media to cover only the first few minutes of Gore's presentation.

all from

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/gore-s-presentation-on-climate-change-draws-800-59205.html

It's not only childrens's heads that are full of shit!! - splendid :y :y

Desperate Den wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:49:

I'm not at all surprised when one considers; BOCA RATON — Confused Palm Beach County voters helped thwart Al Gore's 2000 bid to become president of the United States, but he was introduced as "president of the planet" when he returned here Saturday night to deliver an environmental lecture. or "So, in essence, he's president of the people. He's president of the planet. And the work that he's doing is more important than any other work that could possibly be done." or Organizers allowed the media to cover only the first few minutes of Gore's presentation. all from http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/gore-s-presentation-on-climate-change-draws-800-59205.html It's not only childrens's heads that are full of shit!! - splendid :y :y

LOL, Zulu!  ;D ;D

Mind you, he's dropped a major clanger here:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/16/gore-has-no-clue-a-few-million-degrees-here-and-there-and-pretty-soon-were-talking-about-real-temperature/

What a prat!   ;) :D

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:36:

Actually, how much leccy does a TV in standby consume?  :-/

Modern ones consume nothing measurable (a watt or two). Only item of mine that is not insignificant is the sky set top box (20 watts - it doesn't change significantly from when it's "on"!). And that's the only item that doesn't recover from disconnection from the mains in a reasonable time. >:( If only the tree-huggers knew about Murdoch's carbon footprint he'd be strung up by now. ;D

Think of it this way - do you go around unplugging electric clocks at night? - because they probably take about the same power. ;)

Kevin

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:56:

Desperate Den wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:49: I'm not at all surprised when one considers; BOCA RATON — Confused Palm Beach County voters helped thwart Al Gore's 2000 bid to become president of the United States, but he was introduced as "president of the planet" when he returned here Saturday night to deliver an environmental lecture. or "So, in essence, he's president of the people. He's president of the planet. And the work that he's doing is more important than any other work that could possibly be done." or Organizers allowed the media to cover only the first few minutes of Gore's presentation. all from http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/gore-s-presentation-on-climate-change-draws-800-59205.html It's not only childrens's heads that are full of shit!! - splendid :y :y LOL, Zulu!  ;D ;D Mind you, he's dropped a major clanger here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/16/gore-has-no-clue-a-few-million-degrees-here-and-there-and-pretty-soon-were-talking-about-real-temperature/ What a prat!   ;) :D

........absolutely - but a bloody dangerous one :y :y

Nickbat wrote on 16. Nov 2009 at 23:36:

Actually, how much leccy does a TV in standby consume?  :-/

It varies but, most are mW these days.

i.e. Insignifcant.....now sky boxes, thats a VERY different matter!

30-odd years ago we were told to unplug electrical items at night to stop global warming, well, to stop your house catching fire anyway. :)

Anyone remember that annoying couple with 'their bedtime routine'.

Why waste time teaching kids stuff that will really help them and create thinking, questioning individuals with a desire to learn when it's easier to scare the bejesus out of them, and begin conformity at an early age.

foot note ref global warming:

A Russian icebreaker now used as a tourist ship has been trapped in ice for five days in the antartic. They weren't expecting that ;D

wrote on 17. Nov 2009 at 16:44:

foot note ref global warming: A Russian icebreaker now used as a tourist ship has been trapped in ice for five days in the antartic. They weren't expecting that ;D

Bet the crew are praying for this global warming to start so they can get the bugger out then. ;D