http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6591625/Equality-Bill-could-lead-councils-to-clamp-down-on-Christmas-decorations.html

i dont put any up as i spend it alone but feck would i take them down cause it offends anyone. i find it intrusive that i have to listen to music so loud i can hear it from 5 miles away in southall. but i respect the fact they celebrate there diwali. so they should respect our celebrations just the same.

Political correctness ......gone mad Richie..... :-/ :-/

its a typical reaction by the p,c brigade richie, you ask any of the ethnics & they dont have a problem with it, not that they should have a say in the first place you understand ;)

unlucky alf wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:19:

its a typical reaction by the p,c brigade richie, you ask any of the ethnics & they dont have a problem with it, not that they should have a say in the first place you understand ;)

if the goverment want a multicultural soceity so bad then they have to except everyones cultures, but its all one sided  every time.

My better half works in a Cof E run childrens centre but was told the children could not do a Halloween theme because it might "scare "them and even Father Christmas is under threat! Methinks its all some quasi religious thing about not doing anything pagan linked-obviously those who make such decisions are oblivious to the whole christianity appropriating pagan festivals thing. Even more bizzarely, whilst celebrating Halloween is a no-no, they are PC aware enough to acknowlege Diwalli !! >:( :-?

The following excerpt from that report says it all really;


Legislation championed by Harriet Harman, the equalities minister and deputy Labour leader,


With EU legislation and the mess of ill thought out measures created by New Labour - only from the standpoint of having been the party of government for the past 12 years - this country is in a shambolic state.

Destroyed by crude  - for the most part - attempts at social engineering.

If I went to another cultures society and demanded that they remove decorations as they offended me I would most likely get beaten or even shot.
So stuff them this is our country If we want to celebrate our holidays then let us otherwise let there be no holidays at all for whatever religion, race or creed you are and then try complaining.

sorry this gets my back up everytime, I am not racist and will happily let others celebrate their beliefs but really hate it when they try to stop ours by councils trying to keep the few happy over the many.
If you don't like it the F&&* off back to where you came from.

Quote:

The bishops have also expressed fears that the Equality Bill could force church care homes to remove crucifixes from their walls in case they offend "atheist cleaners".

WTF  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Richie London wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:52:

Quote: The bishops have also expressed fears that the Equality Bill could force church care homes to remove crucifixes from their walls in case they offend "atheist cleaners". WTF  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not as outlandish as it appears, the legislation is mostly in place;



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6917328.ece

Happening in Italy as well:

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled against the use of crucifixes in classrooms in Italy.

It said the practice violated the right of parents to educate their children as they saw fit, and ran counter to the child's right to freedom of religion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8340411.stm

This has met with a great deal of opposition in a country where the Church is an integral part of Italian culture. 

There is, of course, a chilling precedent to this:

1937: Nuns were replaced by the "brown shirt sisters" of the Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt, the Nazi welfare organization. There were attempts to abolish school prayers and remove crucifixes from the schools..

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?13+Duke+J.+Comp.+&+Int%27l+L.+07

:( :(

Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better.

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31:

Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is benned, the better.

Or banned even  ;)

Anyone want to join my Ebenezer Scrooge Appreciation Society?  :y

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31:

Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better.

How tolerant.  ::)

Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:49:

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31: Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better. How tolerant.  ::)

There's a lot more proof to support global warming than gods of any description.

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31:

Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better.

i agree, especially from schools. should be an option for you to llearn if you decide and not the goverment

Plomien wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:36:

If I went to another cultures society and demanded that they remove decorations as they offended me I would most likely get beaten or even shot. So stuff them this is our country If we want to celebrate our holidays then let us otherwise let there be no holidays at all for whatever religion, race or creed you are and then try complaining. sorry this gets my back up everytime, I am not racist and will happily let others celebrate their beliefs but really hate it when they try to stop ours by councils trying to keep the few happy over the many. If you don't like it the F&&* off back to where you came from.

Trouble is, for many of the malcontents; that`s only probably as far as: Bury, Oldham, Brum or Bradford! ;D

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 12:38:

Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:49: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31: Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better. How tolerant.  ::) There's a lot more proof to support global warming than gods of any description.

The two cannot be compared. The existence of a deity can neither be proved nor disproved scientifically. That's why religion is described as a faith.
Equally, atheism is a faith. Agnosticism could be described as scepticism.

The problem I have is that banning religions, were it ever to be attempted, would be a totalitarian move -destined to failure and a cause of much suffering. I am happy to tolerate the existence of people who live their lives by their own faith. I do not tolerate the imposition of faith, nor any attempt by one faith to oust another (which is effectively a way of "banning" the latter).

As far as global warming is concerned, it is a question of atmospheric physics which, given time, will be answered scientifically.

Debs. wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 12:58:

Plomien wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:36: If I went to another cultures society and demanded that they remove decorations as they offended me I would most likely get beaten or even shot. So stuff them this is our country If we want to celebrate our holidays then let us otherwise let there be no holidays at all for whatever religion, race or creed you are and then try complaining. sorry this gets my back up everytime, I am not racist and will happily let others celebrate their beliefs but really hate it when they try to stop ours by councils trying to keep the few happy over the many. If you don't like it the F&&* off back to where you came from. Trouble is, for many of the malcontents; that`s only probably as far as: Bury, Oldham, Brum or Bradford! ;D

That was probably the same feeling they had when we were Empire Building, to use a grossly euphamistic term.

Desperate Den wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:31:

The following excerpt from that report says it all really; Legislation championed by Harriet Harman, the equalities minister and deputy Labour leader, With EU legislation and the mess of ill thought out measures created by New Labour - only from the standpoint of having been the party of government for the past 12 years - this country is in a shambolic state. Destroyed by crude  - for the most part - attempts at social engineering.

It's a light form secularisation, I think in an attempt to ease religious tensions in some parts of the country.  The Russians tried it in Former Yugoslavia and look what happened there........

Guffer wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:18:

Desperate Den wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:31: The following excerpt from that report says it all really; Legislation championed by Harriet Harman, the equalities minister and deputy Labour leader, With EU legislation and the mess of ill thought out measures created by New Labour - only from the standpoint of having been the party of government for the past 12 years - this country is in a shambolic state. Destroyed by crude  - for the most part - attempts at social engineering. It's a light form secularisation, I think in an attempt to ease religious tensions in some parts of the country.  The Russians tried it in Former Yugoslavia and look what happened there........

thats what we need here, ethnic cleansing, some of them definatly need a bath  ;D ;D ;D

Richie London wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:20:

Guffer wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:18: Desperate Den wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:31: The following excerpt from that report says it all really; Legislation championed by Harriet Harman, the equalities minister and deputy Labour leader, With EU legislation and the mess of ill thought out measures created by New Labour - only from the standpoint of having been the party of government for the past 12 years - this country is in a shambolic state. Destroyed by crude  - for the most part - attempts at social engineering. It's a light form secularisation, I think in an attempt to ease religious tensions in some parts of the country.  The Russians tried it in Former Yugoslavia and look what happened there........ thats what we need here, ethnic cleansing, some of them definatly need a bath  ;D ;D ;D

Have you ever travelled on the Underground during rush hour?

The smelly ones are white and wearing office clothes.  You would have thought they had heard of deodorant *barf*

Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:11:

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 12:38: Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:49: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31: Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better. How tolerant.  ::) There's a lot more proof to support global warming than gods of any description. The two cannot be compared. The existence of a deity can neither be proved nor disproved scientifically. That's why religion is described as a faith. Equally, atheism is a faith. Agnosticism could be described as scepticism. The problem I have is that banning religions, were it ever to be attempted, would be a totalitarian move -destined to failure and a cause of much suffering. I am happy to tolerate the existence of people who live their lives by their own faith. I do not tolerate the imposition of faith, nor any attempt by one faith to oust another (which is effectively a way of "banning" the latter). As far as global warming is concerned, it is a question of atmospheric physics which, given time, will be answered scientifically.

Erm....I didn't really mean ban religion ;D

I meant 'Religion should be banned', if you see what I mean.

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 14:36:

Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:11: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 12:38: Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:49: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31: Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better. How tolerant.  ::) There's a lot more proof to support global warming than gods of any description. The two cannot be compared. The existence of a deity can neither be proved nor disproved scientifically. That's why religion is described as a faith. Equally, atheism is a faith. Agnosticism could be described as scepticism. The problem I have is that banning religions, were it ever to be attempted, would be a totalitarian move -destined to failure and a cause of much suffering. I am happy to tolerate the existence of people who live their lives by their own faith. I do not tolerate the imposition of faith, nor any attempt by one faith to oust another (which is effectively a way of "banning" the latter). As far as global warming is concerned, it is a question of atmospheric physics which, given time, will be answered scientifically. Erm....I didn't really mean ban religion ;D I meant 'Religion should be banned', if you see what I mean.

I'm getting one of my headaches coming on.
:D :D :D :D :D ;) ;D ;D

Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 14:50:

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 14:36: Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:11: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 12:38: Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:49: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31: Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better. How tolerant.  ::) There's a lot more proof to support global warming than gods of any description. The two cannot be compared. The existence of a deity can neither be proved nor disproved scientifically. That's why religion is described as a faith. Equally, atheism is a faith. Agnosticism could be described as scepticism. The problem I have is that banning religions, were it ever to be attempted, would be a totalitarian move -destined to failure and a cause of much suffering. I am happy to tolerate the existence of people who live their lives by their own faith. I do not tolerate the imposition of faith, nor any attempt by one faith to oust another (which is effectively a way of "banning" the latter). As far as global warming is concerned, it is a question of atmospheric physics which, given time, will be answered scientifically. Erm....I didn't really mean ban religion ;D I meant 'Religion should be banned', if you see what I mean. I'm getting one of my headaches coming on. :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;D ;D

Lots of things 'should be banned'. Mothers in law, the government, earwax etc. Doubt they ever will be though. ;D

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 14:52:

Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 14:50: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 14:36: Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:11: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 12:38: Nickbat wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:49: wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 11:31: Good. The sooner all fairy stories religion is banned, the better. How tolerant.  ::) There's a lot more proof to support global warming than gods of any description. The two cannot be compared. The existence of a deity can neither be proved nor disproved scientifically. That's why religion is described as a faith. Equally, atheism is a faith. Agnosticism could be described as scepticism. The problem I have is that banning religions, were it ever to be attempted, would be a totalitarian move -destined to failure and a cause of much suffering. I am happy to tolerate the existence of people who live their lives by their own faith. I do not tolerate the imposition of faith, nor any attempt by one faith to oust another (which is effectively a way of "banning" the latter). As far as global warming is concerned, it is a question of atmospheric physics which, given time, will be answered scientifically. Erm....I didn't really mean ban religion ;D I meant 'Religion should be banned', if you see what I mean. I'm getting one of my headaches coming on. :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;D ;D Lots of things 'should be banned'. Mothers in law, the government, earwax etc. Doubt they ever will be though. ;D

I'm with you on earwax. Should we petition the PM?

;) ;D ;D

Guffer wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:18:

Desperate Den wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:31: The following excerpt from that report says it all really; Legislation championed by Harriet Harman, the equalities minister and deputy Labour leader, With EU legislation and the mess of ill thought out measures created by New Labour - only from the standpoint of having been the party of government for the past 12 years - this country is in a shambolic state. Destroyed by crude  - for the most part - attempts at social engineering. It's a light form secularisation, I think in an attempt to ease religious tensions in some parts of the country.  The Russians tried it in Former Yugoslavia and look what happened there........

That's the logical conclusion G  - I wish people would pay more attention to recent history for a clue to what may happen on the back of all this 'thoughtfully' drafted legislation :y :y

Guffer wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:23:

Richie London wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:20: Guffer wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 13:18: Desperate Den wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:31: The following excerpt from that report says it all really; Legislation championed by Harriet Harman, the equalities minister and deputy Labour leader, With EU legislation and the mess of ill thought out measures created by New Labour - only from the standpoint of having been the party of government for the past 12 years - this country is in a shambolic state. Destroyed by crude  - for the most part - attempts at social engineering. It's a light form secularisation, I think in an attempt to ease religious tensions in some parts of the country.  The Russians tried it in Former Yugoslavia and look what happened there........ thats what we need here, ethnic cleansing, some of them definatly need a bath  ;D ;D ;D Have you ever travelled on the Underground during rush hour? The smelly ones are white and wearing office clothes.  You would have thought they had heard of deodorant *barf*

yeah for years, the heathrow line is the worse as most have just got off the planes. it makes you want to throw up sometimes but as you say, its the office nerds in suits who stink the most.

Plomien wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 10:36:

If I went to another cultures society and demanded that they remove decorations as they offended me I would most likely get beaten or even shot. So stuff them this is our country If we want to celebrate our holidays then let us otherwise let there be no holidays at all for whatever religion, race or creed you are and then try complaining. sorry this gets my back up everytime, I am not racist and will happily let others celebrate their beliefs but really hate it when they try to stop ours by councils trying to keep the few happy over the many. If you don't like it the F&&* off back to where you came from.

100% agree  :y :y :y :y :y :y