No, Pete, vowels.

My lad keeps going on about them. His teacher says a word must have a vowel and I say No. Rhythm, tryst, crypt etc.

Then I come across this:

http://www.phonicsontheweb.com/y-roles.php

ARRGGHH!

Be careful of what 'official' info you find on the web, some portray opinions as fact.  Try and find it from a more reliable source (Not wikipedia ffs)

wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 14:58:

No, Pete, vowels. My lad keeps going on about them. His teacher says a word must have a vowel and I say No. Rhythm, tryst, crypt etc. Then I come across this: http://www.phonicsontheweb.com/y-roles.php ARRGGHH!

shy  :y

"Phonics" is what primary school teachers use to "educate" the hordes of illiterate yobs that go on to secondary school. >:(

With a 6yr old I'm getting versed in the new teaching methods for maths and literacy and tbh, whilst some of it is a lot different than the ways I was taught (and I don't just mean that lsd used to mean something else besides acid back then!),I can see the logic in a lot of it including phonics. On the otherhand, whilst I accept that any language is a living thing and grows and mutates with various influences, surely that does not mean changing the basic rules. Personally I agree with others about the credability of claiming that "Y" can be genuinely classed as a vowel in the absence of "a e i o u" even though it may appear to perform that function in the word. :-/

jerry wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 19:07:

With a 6yr old I'm getting versed in the new teaching methods for maths and literacy and tbh, whilst some of it is a lot different than the ways I was taught (and I don't just mean that lsd used to mean something else besides acid back then!),I can see the logic in a lot of it including phonics. On the otherhand, whilst I accept that any language is a living thing and grows and mutates with various influences, surely that does not mean changing the basic rules. Personally I agree with others about the credability of claiming that "Y" can be genuinely classed as a vowel in the absence of "a e i o u" even though it may appear to perform that function in the word. :-/

I seem to remember, though from god knows where, that it was classed as a surrogate vowel. My lad is pretty quick on the uptake, so just accepts it and moves on. But I can't. ;D

send him to school in Wales,they,ve never heard of vowels there. :y ;D ;D

Albs wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 19:26:

send him to school in Wales,they,ve never heard of vowels there. :y ;D ;D

OH DEBS!!!!!

jerry wrote on 18. Nov 2009 at 19:07:

With a 6yr old I'm getting versed in the new teaching methods for maths and literacy and tbh, whilst some of it is a lot different than the ways I was taught (and I don't just mean that lsd used to mean something else besides acid back then!),I can see the logic in a lot of it including phonics. On the otherhand, whilst I accept that any language is a living thing and grows and mutates with various influences, surely that does not mean changing the basic rules. Personally I agree with others about the credability of claiming that "Y" can be genuinely classed as a vowel in the absence of "a e i o u" even though it may appear to perform that function in the word. :-/

Yes

Limited
Slip
Differential :y