Just been down to the take-away to get dinner and a prat has reversed into me !!! He's nudged me right on the edge of the rear door with the back of his car .. and is trying to accuse me of hittting him... bit difficult as I was stationary !!!

Too dark to full assess the damage, door opens and closes ok, bit of a dent in the wing quarter panel just by the door handle. Will have to wait until the morning.. :(

As this was in a car park, not on the road, I wonder what the insurers will say .. :(

Cheesed off now .. :(

Not good Entwood!!  I feel for you :'( :'(.

There are just too many pratts around! >:( >:( >:(

just what you need at this time of year-not. Hope there isnt too much damage and that you can get it sorted soon. I sympathise with you as my mig currently sports a nice deep dent courtesy of some nice person who just drove off  >:(

Unbelievable! How do they manage to walk and talk :o :o :o >:( >:( >:(

Entwood wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 19:49:

Just been down to the take-away to get dinner and a prat has reversed into me !!! He's nudged me right on the edge of the rear door with the back of his car .. and is trying to accuse me of hittting him... bit difficult as I was stationary !!! Too dark to full assess the damage, door opens and closes ok, bit of a dent in the wing quarter panel just by the door handle. Will have to wait until the morning.. :( As this was in a car park, not on the road, I wonder what the insurers will say .. :( Cheesed off now .. :(

If you're fully comp, they'll probably say nothing, just repair it.

Snot him. >:(

feeling for u ..... does yor head in when someone prangs the car .. hope all is ok in morning ,, get a beer down you  :y

You should be covered, similar happened to me and didn't have a problem  :y Get a witness

At least it was 'only' a door and not any of the Irmscher kit!  ::)

Entwood wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 19:49:

As this was in a car park, not on the road, I wonder what the insurers will say .. :(

Car park is no different to public highway, unless on private ground.

The basic rule is.....if the public have unrestricted access, the rules of the road apply.

Lazydocker wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 19:56:

Unbelievable! How do they manage to walk and talk :o :o :o >:( >:( >:(

I wondered that - they're highly inbred in Wiltshire! :D

Bad news Nige :(

I thought this thread was going to be about Frosties ;D

Elite Pete wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 20:53:

Bad news Nige :( I thought this thread was going to be about Frosties ;D

You could fix it Pete, if the money was right ::)

I hope you have their details :( :( :( :(

Martin Imber wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 21:00:

I hope you have their details :( :( :( :(

He gave me his business card .. so I have his work address, and I've checked his reg on AskMID ... he is insured ...

Entwood wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 21:01:

Martin Imber wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 21:00: I hope you have their details :( :( :( :( He gave me his business card .. so I have his work address, and I've checked his reg on AskMID ... he is insured ...

Well I hope it gets repaired soon.

Sorry to hear that Entwood  :(
However i had dent put in a rear door in a co-op carpark by a careless parker....their insurance paid out no problems  :y

Entwood wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 21:01:

[ ...... and I've checked his reg on AskMID ... he is insured ...

I've just entered SWMBO's old written off Astra on there, the same car the insurers cancelled the policy on cos it had been declared written off. It's insured apparently! :-? :-? :-/ :-/

Entwood wrote on 11. Dec 2009 at 19:49:

Just been down to the take-away to get dinner and a prat has reversed into me !!! He's nudged me right on the edge of the rear door with the back of his car .. and is trying to accuse me of hittting him... bit difficult as I was stationary !!! Too dark to full assess the damage, door opens and closes ok, bit of a dent in the wing quarter panel just by the door handle. Will have to wait until the morning.. :( As this was in a car park, not on the road, I wonder what the insurers will say .. :( Cheesed off now .. :(

Arseh0le >:(

im a true believer in if its your fault take it on the chin its a shame more are not the same :y

Sorry to hear that matey. :(
I've just today noticed some careless 2hat has managed to put a 6"x 4" scrape on my nearside front bumper. I'm hacked off and I reckon I can touch it up gradually, something like yours would have me hunting the streets for the fokkers.   

Damage is not as bad as I feared ... still not happy mind ... and given the position of the damage .. just how can he say I drove into him ?? Unless my Omega can now leap sideways .. :(

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Now to start trawling around body shops .. :(  Just what I need .. NOT  :(

looks like that should pull out  :)

tunnie wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 10:58:

looks like that should pull out  :)

Agreed .. it's the little "ripple" on the underside that concerns me ... will that split on straightening .. ?

Try one of the dentmaster type fellas first.  You would be amazed at what they can achieve with little (further) damage to the paintwork.  Some also do touch ins.....

Hope it's an 'easy fix' Entwood, bet your blood pressure needs a bit of TLC just now too. :'(

You could always ask to get the LPG filler colour coded at the same time as the arch is repaired.  ;)  ;)  :y

Just been to the Insurance Approved repair centre for them to assess the work.........

Was a tad gobsmacked to be told the car will have to go to a specialist to have the LPG tank removed before the work can be done, then back for the tank to be re-fitted afterwards !!

The quoted reason is that the car cannot go into the "low-bake oven" with the tank fitted ... even if it was empty .. as it is an explosive risk !!!

Now is this some sort of money-making/job-creation scam ... or is it genuine ???

Has anyone ever heard of owt like this before ???

(posted the same question on an LPG forum as well... )

::) ::)

Entwood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:28:

Just been to the Insurance Approved repair centre for them to assess the work......... Was a tad gobsmacked to be told the car will have to go to a specialist to have the LPG tank removed before the work can be done, then back for the tank to be re-fitted afterwards !! The quoted reason is that the car cannot go into the "low-bake oven" with the tank fitted ... even if it was empty .. as it is an explosive risk !!! Now is this some sort of money-making/job-creation scam ... or is it genuine ??? Has anyone ever heard of owt like this before ??? (posted the same question on an LPG forum as well... ) ::) ::)

I'm afraid to say that seems very plausible as after all the LPG tank is a pressurised vessel, and you would never put one of those in a baking oven! ;) ;)

seems like a small dent but good candidate for rust starting , must be repaired asap imho..

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:35:

Entwood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:28: Just been to the Insurance Approved repair centre for them to assess the work......... Was a tad gobsmacked to be told the car will have to go to a specialist to have the LPG tank removed before the work can be done, then back for the tank to be re-fitted afterwards !! The quoted reason is that the car cannot go into the "low-bake oven" with the tank fitted ... even if it was empty .. as it is an explosive risk !!! Now is this some sort of money-making/job-creation scam ... or is it genuine ??? Has anyone ever heard of owt like this before ??? (posted the same question on an LPG forum as well... ) ::) ::) I'm afraid to say that seems very plausible as after all the LPG tank is a pressurised vessel, and you would never put one of those in a baking oven! ;) ;)

I would agree .. but the rest of the car .. petrol tank, plastics, leather will all go in .. so the temperatures cannot be that high surely ???

I thought these "ovens" were no more than a controlled dry, WARM, atmosphere .. not Gas Mark 4 !!!!

Entwood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:44:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:35: Entwood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:28: Just been to the Insurance Approved repair centre for them to assess the work......... Was a tad gobsmacked to be told the car will have to go to a specialist to have the LPG tank removed before the work can be done, then back for the tank to be re-fitted afterwards !! The quoted reason is that the car cannot go into the "low-bake oven" with the tank fitted ... even if it was empty .. as it is an explosive risk !!! Now is this some sort of money-making/job-creation scam ... or is it genuine ??? Has anyone ever heard of owt like this before ??? (posted the same question on an LPG forum as well... ) ::) ::) I'm afraid to say that seems very plausible as after all the LPG tank is a pressurised vessel, and you would never put one of those in a baking oven! ;) ;) I would agree .. but the rest of the car .. petrol tank, plastics, leather will all go in .. so the temperatures cannot be that high surely ??? I thought these "ovens" were no more than a controlled dry, WARM, atmosphere .. not Gas Mark 4 !!!!

Yep, you have a valid point there Entwood! ;)  But is there some "rule" that pressurised vessels cannot be put into those ovens........you H&S and all that? ::) ::) ::)

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:48:

Yep, you have a valid point there Entwood! ;)  But is there some "rule" that pressurised vessels cannot be put into those ovens........you H&S and all that? ::) ::) ::)

Pure H&S bull IMHO. ::)

If anything untoward happened to LPG tanks when they got a little warm would people put them in cars and then leave them in the sun?

Purely a case of "don't understand it, haven't risk assessed it, so won't touch it".

.. and based on the knuckle-draggedness of most LPGA "specialists" I would insist that, if the tank has to come out, it's done by the original fitter.

Kevin

Hope you can get it fixed. Over here you're not allowed to have any paint work done until you get a Police certificate.

I have seen loads of LPG cars thatdont explode and  stays under the burning sun whole day where the temp is above 46 Celcius in shadow  ;D

It's an Omega.  It is a beautiful car, but it won't last forever and it already has very little resale value.  Find a cheap garage and get a cheap job done. 

Somebody else's insurance may be paying, but if it's that much work, you just might get the "not an economic repair" treatment.

jereboam wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 19:06:

It's an Omega.  It is a beautiful car, but it won't last forever and it already has very little resale value.  Find a cheap garage and get a cheap job done.  Somebody else's insurance may be paying, but if it's that much work, you just might get the "not an economic repair" treatment.

That thought had crossed my mind .. but I'll wait and see what the insurers say first .. then start the fight ..  :)

Kevin Wood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 18:25:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:48: Yep, you have a valid point there Entwood! ;)  But is there some "rule" that pressurised vessels cannot be put into those ovens........you H&S and all that? ::) ::) ::) Pure H&S bull IMHO. ::) If anything untoward happened to LPG tanks when they got a little warm would people put them in cars and then leave them in the sun? Purely a case of "don't understand it, haven't risk assessed it, so won't touch it". .. and based on the knuckle-draggedness of most LPGA "specialists" I would insist that, if the tank has to come out, it's done by the original fitter. Kevin

I agree with Kevin....the tank wont explode if heated up.....even to quite a high temp....and i have been in some 'paint curing' ovens that have been set to quite a temp....coz its near the end of the day...and they wanna go home  ::)
Firstly, the max fill of a tank is around 70%, to allow for expansion, secondly, if the tank was overfilled, even say to 100% (Ive had this on a vectraC i owned, you could fill it to 100%, shut off 'float' was sticking) all that should happen if the lpg expanded, is the pressure relief valve should open and vent the lpg gas.
Tho probably, if you knew nowt about lpg, you might want the tank removed as well  :-/

"Rosko" on the LPG forum (he's an installer BTW) has posted this link for me ..

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/INDG387.pdf

Small paragraph on page 2 covers it ..... seems their hands are tied by the H&S lawyers.. :(

If this takes the repair into "uneconomical" zone there'll be one hell of a row. I know many bodyshops that do excellent repairs without the use of any sort of oven.

Idiots.

The possibility of the tank venting in the oven might be a concern, depending on how much ventilation there is, but that can be mitigated by having the tank empty. It might still contain "explosive" gas but with the tank empty there is no way you could get enough pressure for it to vent.

Sorry - that was an outburst of common sense. I should have carried out a risk assessment before typing that.

Bear in mind, if the repair is looking like it's going to be uneconomical, that if you've gone down the insurance route they will categorise the car as written off and that will stay on the car's history. You might need to jump through hoops to put it back on the road. Better to make some informal enquiries as to how much it's going to cost before making a claim IMHO.

I can't see why a small area of paint like that can't be cured with a halogen heater, TBH.

Kevin

Alternatively... You could just drop the car off sans tank and they've got nothing to whinge about. Would only take half an hour to pull it out. Happy to lend a hand..

Kevin

Kevin Wood wrote on 18. Dec 2009 at 11:44:

The possibility of the tank venting in the oven might be a concern, depending on how much ventilation there is, but that can be mitigated by having the tank empty. It might still contain "explosive" gas but with the tank empty there is no way you could get enough pressure for it to vent. Sorry - that was an outburst of common sense. I should have carried out a risk assessment before typing that. Bear in mind, if the repair is looking like it's going to be uneconomical, that if you've gone down the insurance route they will categorise the car as written off and that will stay on the car's history. You might need to jump through hoops to put it back on the road. Better to make some informal enquiries as to how much it's going to cost before making a claim IMHO. I can't see why a small area of paint like that can't be cured with a halogen heater, TBH. Kevin

I have spoken directly to the insurers, and no decision will be made without my input. Including the repairs being done at a body shop that does not use "bake" procedures. It appears this sort of thing is not uncommon... they actually have a procedure in place.

Or so they say ....

We just have to wait and see now .. :(

Unfortunately they're correct... That said, there are plenty of places where it can be sprayed in a heated environment, but not an oven :y :y :y