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Title: 3.0 v3.2 Post by zippo on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:00
If things go to plan in the new year i want a v6. Whats the pros and cons of each engine please .I think it goes without saying it will be an auto
Opinions greatly appreciated Darren |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:03
drive-by-wire cars are a lot tidier under the bonnet. No silly tree hugging SAI to unplug etc etc ;) ;) ;)
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by zippo on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:13 Andy B wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:03:
youve lost me Andy ,whats SAI |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Brick Tamland on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:16 zippo wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:13:
And why is it tree hugging :-? |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy H on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:16
secondary air injection.
Blows air into the exhaust manifolds during warm up to help the catalytic converters warm up more quickly. |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:17 Andy H wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:16:
thanks Andy! :y :y :y :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Brick Tamland on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:18 Andy H wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:16:
What are they ::) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by zippo on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:18
thanks for clearing that up Andies
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:19 Brick Tamland wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:18:
You only need to worry about one on your car! :y :y :y :y :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by LSG 1 on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:19 Brick Tamland wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:18:
Something you don't have ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:21 Del Boy wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:19:
Doh! I've missed something! ::) :y :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by LSG 1 on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:23 Andy B wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:21:
I do frequently, comes with age ;D |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:25 Del Boy wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:23:
I know! :( :( :( Where am I? Who am I? ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Brick Tamland on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:32 Del Boy wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:19:
All the better for it. Sounds great 8-) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:35 Brick Tamland wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:32:
I can't say my Senator sounded better or performend any better when the cats were sat in the shed & my stainless de-cat pipes were fitted. It was a lot easier to fit/remove on that cat though. :y :y :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by LSG 1 on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:36 Andy B wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:25:
;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by AmigoMV6 on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:38
My car "should" have two catalytic converters but i decided they were expensive & could cause the car to stop/limp mode?, fail mot on emissions....
So i fecked 'em off. No condoms on my car! 8-) :D |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by philrich on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:40 Amigo MX5 wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:38:
Forgive me for |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Brick Tamland on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:42 PhilRich wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:40:
Only 4 bolts +20 mins ::) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by philrich on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:45
Ah, gotcha now :y ;D
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy H on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:59 PhilRich wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:40:
Don't quote me but.... I don't think cats were compulsory before 2000 so if you have a 1990's car you can 'de-cat' the car by fitting a straight through down pipe. I am not totally sure of the cut off date. My 1972 Range Rover emission test is 'no excessive visible smoke from exhaust' (or something like that). The MOT takes half as long as it does for the Omega ::) If you look at your last MOT emissions results you should be able to tell if the criteria require a cat to pass. |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by AmigoMV6 on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:03
Yes a de catted car won't pass the emissions test come mot time.
As the old saying goes it's not what you know but who.....nuff said. 8-) :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Albs on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:06 Andy B wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:35:
Thats because it was a better car altogether Andy. :y :y Here we go again :D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:07 Andy H wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:59:
K reg! |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Albs on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:08 Andy H wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 22:59:
I think its earlier,around 1993. ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:09 Albs wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:06:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:10 Albs wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:08:
1st Aug 1992 :y :y :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by AmigoMV6 on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:12
Stick the pipe up another car that's just passed...sorted! 8-)
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Tony H on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:13 Albs wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:08:
Anything after 1990 H reg had to have cats fitted |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:18
i'd take the 3.2 due to the DBW stuff, the 'go' pedal is so much lighter to the touch, the old cable driven ones need a fair bit of weight on them.
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:21 Tony H wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:13:
No it's not. For all intents & purposes all K reg cars have to have a cat fitted :y :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by CD-Pete on 13. Dec 2009 at 10:18 Andy B wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:21:
Correct :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by STMO123 on 13. Dec 2009 at 10:21 Pete. wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 10:18:
Been waiting for the forum to come back to say that Pete? ;D |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by belldarr on 13. Dec 2009 at 10:22
I have owned the 2.5, 3.0 and now have the 3.2 all in Elite spec - and I am no mechanic but the 3.2 has been the better driving experience with more pull and 22mpg on average, so for me I can't reccomend the 3.2 highly enough :y
Darren |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Ken L on 13. Dec 2009 at 10:29
Regarding this 'cat' business, I remember a discussion on the MR2 forum once, where some post '93 cars had past the MOT without the cat fitted as they passed the emissions test, but others had been failed for no 'cat' even though they past the emission test. Seems the rules here were open to interprtation, or misinterpretation.
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by chrisgixer on 13. Dec 2009 at 13:30
3.2 has no sai, egr valve, iac valve, no throttle cable or cruise controle box and cable in the engine bay. All replaced by more advanced(or should i say up to date?) engine management with drive by wire throttle. Not sure on the changes on the previous model years, but 3.0 will have most if not all of the above to replace/clean/blank off/ or unplug.
3.2 also does away with the dis pac and ht leads in favour of a single coil pack per bank, which is far easier to replace but more expensive to buy if it goes tets up i beleive, i've not had to replace one so far so not aware of cost. Less gubbins generally in the engine bay, which is always good when fitting lpg. Oh, and the pedal trick rather than paper clip test, easier to do, more comprehensive list of codes and WILL tell you which pot is missfiring! Unlike the 3.0 ecu which probably wont even notice if its lost a cylinder. Plus being younger, 3.2 hopefully will be in slightly better nic. If you can find one, i guess it will cost more to buy as well though? A pita that goes against the 3.2 is the pre cat issue, which also affects the 2.6 and 2.2 to a lesser extent. But in real terms the only real annoyance with that is the engine light constantly lit on the dash, but there is a fairly(?) cheap fix. Hth the op. :-) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 14:59
Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates ;) ;)
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Tony H on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:21 Andy B wrote on 12. Dec 2009 at 23:21:
Thats what I said K is after H :P :P :P |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:47
J? ::)
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by LSG 1 on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:51 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:47:
Think he meant that K is after H but not driectly after it :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:52 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 14:59:
No they won't. Taxation for higher rates was moved back to 2006, all Omegas even 2003 3.2's pay no more than fixed rate for older cars |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:55
All Omega's are in Band K, on the second table
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916 |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Andy B on 13. Dec 2009 at 16:07 Tony H wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:21:
C'mon! Or do you use a different alphabet? ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Entwood on 13. Dec 2009 at 16:09 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:55:
Picky head on .. :) Not quite true ... some of us are in the third table and save a WHOLE £10 .... £235 for 2010-11 :) Now that £10 is VERY IMPORTANT ... it is nearly 20 ltrs LPG or 4.4 galls which is nearly 80 miles of motoring free from the government ..... I really am very, very, very grateful to Mr Brown for his benevolence ... :) [sarcastic mode = off] :) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 16:11 Entwood wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 16:09:
All yes... £10. Whoooooo (sarcastic) But your right.... |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Tony H on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:01 Del Boy wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:51:
Correct :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:24 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 15:52:
Sorry Tunnie, but the following tells me, they way I read it, that my 3.0. registered before March 2001 will attract a tax of £190 p.a. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524 My car (band K?) if it had been registered after March 2001 would have attracted a tax of £215. So £25 difference, and the way things on the emmissions front, politically, are shapping that is going to become a lot more with a new government, especially for a 3.2 ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Entwood on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:28
Lizzie .. your link is to 2009 figures so the numbers are slightly different to tunnies which is the 2010 figures .. apply from April 1 st I think .. :)
Yours : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524 Tunnies : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916 The "pre march 2001" figure will be £205 For post march 2001 but pre 2006 it will be £245 unless you have LPG when it is £235 |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:32 Entwood wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:28:
All I know Entwood is that I have got them direct from the latest DVLA web site, which indeed mentions the new 2006 'deadline' ;) ;) EDIT: In fact Tunnie's are the same as my reference, but I have gone on into the "cost" page. |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:32 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:24:
3.2's won't be any higher than £245, even a 6.0 V8 registered in 2005 will be £245, they will never reach the £400+ rates of other cars. They will need to be registered after 2006 for that to happen |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:37 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:32:
So I was right Tunnie in my original statement! ::) ::) ::) My 2000 3.0, at £190 p.a. will be cheaper than a post March 2001 3.0 or 3.2 :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:37 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:32:
Sorry Lizzie, yours are the old prices. From April 2010 yours will be £205, and 3.0/3.2s post march 2001 will be £245 |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:40 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:37:
OK, from then yes mine will be £205; still cheaper than post March 2001 cars by £40!! That is exactly what I originally meant and stated! ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D ;) "Whatever has been said to date, the one consideration in the 3.0 v 3.2 debate is that the latter will be in post 2000 cars and will attract the higher road tax rates" |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:42 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:40:
I thought you meant the higher rates of £400+ |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:43 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:42:
lol Tunnie! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For me £245 IS a bloody high rate enough!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by tunnie on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:45 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:43:
If Omegas were made post 2006 then they would have been £950 a year to tax! Now thats high! |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:56 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:45:
Now that is Tunnie!! :o :o :o :o What a horrible thought! :'( :'( :'( :D :D :y :y |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by LSG 1 on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:57 tunnie wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 17:45:
Only for the 1st years its £950 |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by zippo on 13. Dec 2009 at 18:14
You ask a simple question ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by Lizzie Zoom on 13. Dec 2009 at 18:32 zippo wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 18:14:
Oh yes Zippo, we never dissappoint on here!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by zippo on 13. Dec 2009 at 18:35 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 13. Dec 2009 at 18:32:
i do get that impression ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 3.0 v3.2 Post by VXL V6 on 13. Dec 2009 at 18:41
Fortunately the tax renewal on mine is Dec 31st so i've just had to pay out £215 rather than the £245 from April next year!
If i'd known it was such a bargain I would have bought a five year tax disc! ;D |
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