What a complete plonker ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8425893.stm

Use your xxxxing passport!

erm have I missed something Martin?

the article clearly states it is usable as a european passport....

So he shouldn't need to  :-?


Or is this a neanderthal post about resisting change?

The new ID card, introduced in Manchester, can be used instead of a passport across Europe - but the travel firm said it did not know this.



You don't need a passport these days for Europe, i had house mates from Portugal at Uni, they had those type of ID cards, never used a passport....

And considering the renew costs for them, i am not surprised he used it.

The only plonkers there, are the morons who did not know it was valid

Big Brother will be watching you ........ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8175139.stm
Dave Page, from the organisation, said: "Once you are on that database, you can never come off it.

"From the moment you're registered you'll have to tell the authorities of any change in your circumstances for the rest of your life - and pay whatever fees they ask for the 'service'.

"You'll never know who's looking at your details. It won't protect our safety. It won't be convenient - except for Whitehall. This scheme is an expensive and dangerous con."

Andy B wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 08:27:

Big Brother will be watching you ........ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8175139.stm Dave Page, from the organisation, said: "Once you are on that database, you can never come off it. "From the moment you're registered you'll have to tell the authorities of any change in your circumstances for the rest of your life - and pay whatever fees they ask for the 'service'. "You'll never know who's looking at your details. It won't protect our safety. It won't be convenient - except for Whitehall. This scheme is an expensive and dangerous con."

Quite so Andy.

Yet another example of how botched, hashed-up, re-heated and generally messed-about-with legislation from the hells kitchen of our present government holds the unsavoury potential for consequences far beyond the pain in the arse that most will experience after falling victim to it.

Jimbob wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 07:11:

erm have I missed something Martin? the article clearly states it is usable as a european passport.... So he shouldn't need to  :-? Or is this a neanderthal post about resisting change?

Hmm brand new, about to be cancelled, you need to inform big brother (1984 version) of any changes, or get £1000 fine.

I'd rather have a passport.

Were Neanderthals Libertarians?

tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 08:23:

The new ID card, introduced in Manchester, can be used instead of a passport across Europe - but the travel firm said it did not know this. You don't need a passport these days for Europe, i had house mates from Portugal at Uni, they had those type of ID cards, never used a passport.... And considering the renew costs for them, i am not surprised he used it. The only plonkers there, are the morons who did not know it was valid

Happy to sit on another database to be lost?

What is actually wrong with the passport?

Are you happy to have to inform the IPS (I think) every time, you change your circumstances, or get a large fine?

It will get cancelled - this isn't the war time, it is just nulab control freakery.

Andy B wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 08:27:

Big Brother will be watching you ........ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8175139.stm Dave Page, from the organisation, said: "Once you are on that database, you can never come off it. "From the moment you're registered you'll have to tell the authorities of any change in your circumstances for the rest of your life - and pay whatever fees they ask for the 'service'. "You'll never know who's looking at your details. It won't protect our safety. It won't be convenient - except for Whitehall. This scheme is an expensive and dangerous con."

And it will cost more than both new aircraft carriers to implement.

I KNOW which is better for our security.

It did give me a good laugh - someone believed waquie jaquies male cow poo.

Desperate Den wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 08:57:

Andy B wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 08:27: Big Brother will be watching you ........ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8175139.stm Dave Page, from the organisation, said: "Once you are on that database, you can never come off it. "From the moment you're registered you'll have to tell the authorities of any change in your circumstances for the rest of your life - and pay whatever fees they ask for the 'service'. "You'll never know who's looking at your details. It won't protect our safety. It won't be convenient - except for Whitehall. This scheme is an expensive and dangerous con." Quite so Andy. Yet another example of how botched, hashed-up, re-heated and generally messed-about-with legislation from the hells kitchen of our present government holds the unsavoury potential for consequences far beyond the pain in the arse that most will experience after falling victim to it.

Since I won't get one regardless - won't bother me. As in prepared to go all the way, like quite a few thousand other people.

Might run one off on the inkjet - who shall I be?

Quote:

Happy to sit on another database to be lost?

We are already on 1000's of DB's - Tesco (with or without clubcard) Nectar cards and so on, so the goverment already knows what i buy for lunch, where i go, and when. They know my exact movements in London (Oyster) - So whats one more DB?


Quote:

What is actually wrong with the passport?

Do we really need a huge book with stamps to take on holiday? Paper license has been updated to plastic, can't see why not passport.


Quote:

Are you happy to have to inform the IPS (I think) every time, you change your circumstances, or get a large fine?

In reality circumstances don't change that often, things they want to know like address, job, don't change that much. You already have to tell TV people, Gas/Leccy, Council, Bank, Credit cards, whats one more to call?


Quote:

It will get cancelled - this isn't the war time, it is just nulab control freakery.

It will get pushed through no matter what it costs i feel, many countries in Europe already have such a system.

tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43:

Quote: Happy to sit on another database to be lost? We are already on 1000's of DB's - Tesco (with or without clubcard) Nectar cards and so on, so the goverment already knows what i buy for lunch, where i go, and when. They know my exact movements in London (Oyster) - So whats one more DB? [quote]What is actually wrong with the passport?

Do we really need a huge book with stamps to take on holiday? Paper license has been updated to plastic, can't see why not passport.


Quote:

Are you happy to have to inform the IPS (I think) every time, you change your circumstances, or get a large fine?

In reality circumstances don't change that often, things they want to know like address, job, don't change that much. You already have to tell TV people, Gas/Leccy, Council, Bank, Credit cards, whats one more to call?


Quote:

It will get cancelled - this isn't the war time, it is just nulab control freakery.

It will get pushed through no matter what it costs i feel, many countries in Europe already have such a system.[/quote]
You don't have to tell any of those.  And what's this "huge book" you're talking about?
Don't forget to pull the chain after you. ;D

We have a choice with Nectar and Tesco.

And none of the utilities threaten you with £1000

Martin Imber wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:54:

We have a choice with Nectar and Tesco. And none of the utilities threaten you with £1000

Not really, not unless you pay cash with everything. Tesco, BP and so on, will log card numbers with transactions, they know what pump you used, so they can take your car reg too.

They know what car you used, how far you went, and who paid.

Yes you don't have to tell the leccy companies if you move, but i think you would want leccy at your new house....

Passport is a huge book when you think about it. Compared to driving license. Its about the only paper work you need to really take on holiday

Ahhh the truth comes out.

You started this thread about a bloke, acting 100% legally and trying to travel with the correct legal documents was wrongly denied access to travel, and for some unknown reason, calling him an idiot  :o

When all you really wanted to do was rant about ID cards, all becomes clear.

Jimbob wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 10:02:

Ahhh the truth comes out. You started this thread about a bloke, acting 100% legally and trying to travel with the correct legal documents was wrongly denied access to travel, and for some unknown reason, calling him an idiot  :o When all you really wanted to do was rant about ID cards, all becomes clear.

He is an idiot for buying one in the first place - want to travel do what everyone else wants - use a passport.

Martin Imber wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 13:23:

Jimbob wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 10:02: Ahhh the truth comes out. You started this thread about a bloke, acting 100% legally and trying to travel with the correct legal documents was wrongly denied access to travel, and for some unknown reason, calling him an idiot  :o When all you really wanted to do was rant about ID cards, all becomes clear. He is an idiot for buying one in the first place - want to travel do what everyone else wants - use a passport.

Hear,hear. It probably will get cancelled because the only way the scheme will carry on is if Liebore win the next election. :y

tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43:

We are already on 1000's of DB's - Tesco (with or without clubcard) Nectar cards and so on, so the goverment already knows what i buy for lunch, where i go, and when. They know my exact movements in London (Oyster) - So whats one more DB?

For starters, there is no way of proving that it is YOU who is using YOUR Oyster card, credit card, whatever.
DVLA already openly admits that in excess of 30% of it's DB holds innacurate information, how many more would you like that have also f**ked up somewhere along the line (and they will, because it is a HUMAN putting the info in).


tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43:

Do we really need a huge book with stamps to take on holiday? Paper license has been updated to plastic, can't see why not passport.

The passport is no bigger than the green/pink paper license.

More importantly though, we (the public) have been told for years that the ID card was the be all and end all in order to mug us off in to buying it...and when we do the same powers that be tell us it's no good.


tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43:

In reality circumstances don't change that often, things they want to know like address, job, don't change that much. You already have to tell TV people, Gas/Leccy, Council, Bank, Credit cards, whats one more to call?

A f**king lifetime when you have to constantly repeat yourself to that Mumbai based call centre who can't understand regional accents, but you probably already know that based on the way your employer works when it comes to dealing with the public  ;)

wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:50:

tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: We are already on 1000's of DB's - Tesco (with or without clubcard) Nectar cards and so on, so the goverment already knows what i buy for lunch, where i go, and when. They know my exact movements in London (Oyster) - So whats one more DB? For starters, there is no way of proving that it is YOU who is using YOUR Oyster card, credit card, whatever. DVLA already openly admits that in excess of 30% of it's DB holds innacurate information, how many more would you like that have also f**ked up somewhere along the line (and they will, because it is a HUMAN putting the info in). tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: Do we really need a huge book with stamps to take on holiday? Paper license has been updated to plastic, can't see why not passport. The passport is no bigger than the green/pink paper license. More importantly though, we (the public) have been told for years that the ID card was the be all and end all in order to mug us off in to buying it...and when we do the same powers that be tell us it's no good. tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: In reality circumstances don't change that often, things they want to know like address, job, don't change that much. You already have to tell TV people, Gas/Leccy, Council, Bank, Credit cards, whats one more to call? A f**king lifetime when you have to constantly repeat yourself to that Mumbai based call centre who can't understand regional accents, but you probably already know that based on the way your employer works when it comes to dealing with the public  ;)

Your funny, last time i checked, Dumferline (the call centre) is in Scotland. But then again, understanding the scots can be an issue

tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:53:

wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:50: tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: We are already on 1000's of DB's - Tesco (with or without clubcard) Nectar cards and so on, so the goverment already knows what i buy for lunch, where i go, and when. They know my exact movements in London (Oyster) - So whats one more DB? For starters, there is no way of proving that it is YOU who is using YOUR Oyster card, credit card, whatever. DVLA already openly admits that in excess of 30% of it's DB holds innacurate information, how many more would you like that have also f**ked up somewhere along the line (and they will, because it is a HUMAN putting the info in). tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: Do we really need a huge book with stamps to take on holiday? Paper license has been updated to plastic, can't see why not passport. The passport is no bigger than the green/pink paper license. More importantly though, we (the public) have been told for years that the ID card was the be all and end all in order to mug us off in to buying it...and when we do the same powers that be tell us it's no good. tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: In reality circumstances don't change that often, things they want to know like address, job, don't change that much. You already have to tell TV people, Gas/Leccy, Council, Bank, Credit cards, whats one more to call? A f**king lifetime when you have to constantly repeat yourself to that Mumbai based call centre who can't understand regional accents, but you probably already know that based on the way your employer works when it comes to dealing with the public  ;) Your funny, last time i checked, Dumferline (the call centre) is in Scotland. But then again, understanding the scots can be an issue

If you think that anybody calling the bullshit 10p per minute number (funny how Sky changed after BT said 0870 calls were to be free) actually gets to talk to ANYBODY in the UK, then you are seriously misguided.

Hell, you'll be lucky to talk to someone in the UK even when threatening to leave.
Still, maybe that's why so many prefer the DM range of boxes instead  ;)

wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:59:

tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:53: wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:50: tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: We are already on 1000's of DB's - Tesco (with or without clubcard) Nectar cards and so on, so the goverment already knows what i buy for lunch, where i go, and when. They know my exact movements in London (Oyster) - So whats one more DB? For starters, there is no way of proving that it is YOU who is using YOUR Oyster card, credit card, whatever. DVLA already openly admits that in excess of 30% of it's DB holds innacurate information, how many more would you like that have also f**ked up somewhere along the line (and they will, because it is a HUMAN putting the info in). tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: Do we really need a huge book with stamps to take on holiday? Paper license has been updated to plastic, can't see why not passport. The passport is no bigger than the green/pink paper license. More importantly though, we (the public) have been told for years that the ID card was the be all and end all in order to mug us off in to buying it...and when we do the same powers that be tell us it's no good. tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 09:43: In reality circumstances don't change that often, things they want to know like address, job, don't change that much. You already have to tell TV people, Gas/Leccy, Council, Bank, Credit cards, whats one more to call? A f**king lifetime when you have to constantly repeat yourself to that Mumbai based call centre who can't understand regional accents, but you probably already know that based on the way your employer works when it comes to dealing with the public  ;) Your funny, last time i checked, Dumferline (the call centre) is in Scotland. But then again, understanding the scots can be an issue If you think that anybody calling the bullshit 10p per minute number (funny how Sky changed after BT said 0870 calls were to be free) actually gets to talk to ANYBODY in the UK, then you are seriously misguided. Hell, you'll be lucky to talk to someone in the UK even when threatening to leave. Still, maybe that's why so many prefer the DM range of boxes instead  ;)

What do you know about CAMs?

I want to get some more HD channels on my Freesat box.

(Admins - this is legal - FTV stuff rather than FTA)