cant find the post and i have just been given one for free but rrod'd

Plenty of info to be found on Google I am sure.   :y

I Think it was  CD pete :y :y Will have a look for post of i can

It was me the other week. You have one for free :o

If it's not been opened up it may be eligible for a free repair, you can check on xbox.com.

Wow that was quick Pete ;D ;D :y

SP_3.2 wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 18:50:

Wow that was quick Pete ;D ;D :y

;)

How are you Steve? Is that young lad of yours set for xmas? I bet he's excited ;D

mate has given it to me as he is moving to the states and it has just been lying around,where did you get your guide Pete as i see it worked for you?

hoody wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 18:58:

mate has given it to me as he is moving to the states and it has just been lying around,where did you get your guide Pete as i see it worked for you?

I'll be sending you a PM shortly. Give me time to find it ;) (not the PM :D)

PM sent :y

hoody wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 18:38:

cant find the post and i have just been given one for free but rrod'd

Plenty of instructions on Google, and the X clamp kit is no more than £5.

ultimately can only be done properly with proper reflow equipment, but the online bodges may provide a temporary fix

TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:50:

ultimately can only be done properly with proper reflow equipment, but the online bodges may provide a temporary fix

The actual problem is the PCB bends ever so slightly when the box goes back together..and as the GPU is an SMD (Surface Mount Device)...the rest is obvious for those with even a passing interest in the basics of physics.

As you say, online "bodges" hold the problem at bay for a while (quite a while actually)...but the only real fix is to build the blank properly to start with.

Failed BGA joints....and the route cause is shite MECHANICAL design of the heatsinks

wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:55:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:50: ultimately can only be done properly with proper reflow equipment, but the online bodges may provide a temporary fix The actual problem is the PCB bends ever so slightly when the box goes back together..and as the GPU is an SMD (Surface Mount Device)...the rest is obvious for those with even a passing interest in the basics of physics. As you say, online "bodges" hold the problem at bay for a while (quite a while actually)...but the only real fix is to build the blank properly to start with.

So you agreeing that reflow equip needed then ;)

TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:58:

So you agreeing that reflow equip needed then ;)

A revised airflow is certainly something MS need to address, but if the PCB wasn't under such strain to start with then I have no doubt the manufacturer soldered joints would hold a lot longer than what they do now.

depends what error it actually is  ;)

TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:58:

wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:55: TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:50: ultimately can only be done properly with proper reflow equipment, but the online bodges may provide a temporary fix The actual problem is the PCB bends ever so slightly when the box goes back together..and as the GPU is an SMD (Surface Mount Device)...the rest is obvious for those with even a passing interest in the basics of physics. As you say, online "bodges" hold the problem at bay for a while (quite a while actually)...but the only real fix is to build the blank properly to start with. So you agreeing that reflow equip needed then ;)

Simply re-flowing wont do it......you need to remove, re-ball (or obtain new parts), clean PCB, dry out re-balled devices (to avoid popcorning), refit....hence why it does not get down.

Costs us around 100 quid a device to get a 1500 pin 0.8mm pitch BGA device re-worked

wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:00:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:58: So you agreeing that reflow equip needed then ;) A revised airflow is certainly something MS need to address, but if the PCB wasn't under such strain to start with then I have no doubt the manufacturer soldered joints would hold a lot longer than what they do now.

Yes, teh design is shite. But my point is your £5 clamping kit won't be a proper fix to a rrod xbox!!!

And the re-flow profile must be fine or the joints would be failed at the end of the line.

Sadly, surface mount BGA profiles are something I know much to much about.

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:03:

And the re-flow profile must be fine or the joints would be failed at the end of the line. Sadly, surface mount BGA profiles are something I know much to much about.

Obviously, I bow to your expertise in your specialist subject - my point being a £5 kit ain't gonna fix jack....

TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:01:

wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:00: TheBoy wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 20:58: So you agreeing that reflow equip needed then ;) A revised airflow is certainly something MS need to address, but if the PCB wasn't under such strain to start with then I have no doubt the manufacturer soldered joints would hold a lot longer than what they do now. Yes, teh design is shite. But my point is your £5 clamping kit won't be a proper fix to a rrod xbox!!!

Our 360 was an original Nov 05 release (pre-order).

It failed with the RROD in Jan 09 (2 months after the "extended" warranty"), it's been running sweet since the modded X clamp was fitted so I've had my moneys worth as far as I'm concerned.

Besides, they are so cheap to buy now (and even more easily "spoken to" than before), so buying a new one at some point (if I actually have to) to keep the kids happy won't phase me much.

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:03:

And the re-flow profile must be fine or the joints would be failed at the end of the line. Sadly, surface mount BGA profiles are something I know much to much about.

Happily,I have no idea what any of you are talking about. ;D...........got 3 of the contraptions here-one under the bed suffering from rrod,one a few months old working fine so far and another complete with guitar hero world tour (includes a guitar/drum kit and various other things) which hasnt even been taken out of the box yet and hopefully never will.

tunnie wrote on 23. Dec 2009 at 21:00:

depends what error it actually is  ;)

As DTM often says, we could be going down the mis-diagnosis route here. RROD needs to be clarified, it does not automatically mean over heating issues, is it all sections of the ring or just 1 or 2?

Also what code is being thrown up.....

I had 25% of RROD, due to the box crashing loading a COD4 server. I yanked the power cable out, since caused an E73 error which is network related. Couple of times a month on boot, it fails to boot and gives 25% RROD. I force it into an over heat, which sets it into 'safe' mode, and it boots fine and runs fine for a few weeks.