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Title: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 16. Mar 2011 at 18:26

HAd a good poke around with the wheels off (now i've mashed and destroyed the fabled locking wheels nuts lol).

And have discovered what i think is the source of my tyre wear.
I also replaced the NSF track road end, because i'd already bought it. And it was easy to do lol.

take a look, and just confirm if it is.
Then i'll order the wishbones asap and get them fitted.

cheers

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by ffcgary1 on 16. Mar 2011 at 18:34

Bloody hell mate that wishbone arm looks rough, what do they do the roads where you are, spray corrosives on the road.!!!!
As to the bush, yes it looks shot to me but i have seen them worse than that, arms off and a good rub down with a wire brush, coat with hammerrite paint and a new set of bushes, refit good to go.
A trip tp WIM recommended to finish the job. :y

PS i'd also get some underseal on those chassis rails and front subframe as well. :o

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 16. Mar 2011 at 19:17

Ha yeah,
Guy i bought it from lived by the sea.

They not half as bad as the pictures make them look actually, but yeah i plan on giving it all a good rub down when i change the wishbones.

I'm replacing the whole wishbone with cheapo ones right now with 12 month guarantee.
I know lemforder etc have longer, but i'm not paying that much money, and i'm fitting myself so i know i'll do it right, making sure the front bush is aligned correctly when the weight of the car is on it etc in the hope they last as long as possible.

If you'd seen my front tyres then you'd know something was up lol

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by tapper888 on 16. Mar 2011 at 19:25

o-meg-a wrote on 16. Mar 2011 at 19:17:

id say in it!

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 16. Mar 2011 at 19:51

Quote:

id say in it!

Like i said, picture make it look worse. Its very surface corroded yes, but solid. and they failed anyway, so they'll be replaced with new ones and i dont live by the sea, lol

I'm a bit of a photo buff, so here's the original pic i took so you can see what i mean when i say picture makes it look worse.

This is an unadjusted raw image, converted straight to Jpeg with no tonemapping.....its very bland..but is more representative of real life.
My pictures are always very crisp and colourful, just the way i like them lol.

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by pirate on 16. Mar 2011 at 20:29

bloody hell was his name capt nemo :D

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 16. Mar 2011 at 21:34

No, you're right guys.
I actually found this pristine example at the bottom of the ocean last month.
Had been wet stored there, by Davy Jones.
In his locker no less

It has a perfect fish oil service history and has been driven at sea snail pace most of its life.

The rust however was caused by sea air upon removable from said wet storage and as a result the orange coloured substance you see has appeared and made itself at home.

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 16. Mar 2011 at 22:57

Wishbones with 12,000mile/12 month warranty bought for £49.95 for the pair delivered.
See how they last now... ::)

There was another listing for the same company offering rack rods, drop links and wishbones for both sides for £79.95 delivered.

Seems good, but mine are ok, i'll add them after if i need them for the MOT.

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by chrisgixer on 17. Mar 2011 at 13:22

Worn? Christ there's no rubber in it! :o. Do they have mot's out your way? How the hell did that pass?

Strongly consider that every rubber component under the car is.... Ahem..... In a similar condition. :o

Why am I thinking plink plink fizz? :-?

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 17. Mar 2011 at 13:36

chrisgixer wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 13:22:

You OOF lot are just a big bunch of drama queens aren't you!? :-? :D ;) :o :y:-?

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by The Red Baron on 17. Mar 2011 at 13:45

eerrrm, yes. some more than others. ::)

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Abiton on 17. Mar 2011 at 13:49

Apart from the condition of the subframes, it looks very similar to the one on my missus's car:

I'm not panicking, I'd say it's been like that for a fair old while.

Will change it soon-ish.

edit: Got a brand new MOT certificate on Tuesday...

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazyfecker on 17. Mar 2011 at 14:21

Abiton wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 13:49:

Yet more proof that the MOT isn't worth the paper it's written on ;) ::)

You must have a ~~blind~~ very relaxed tester ::) ::) :D :D

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 17. Mar 2011 at 14:34

Not really,
The MOT testers may not have let the bush relax down like that.
Are they allowed to take the wheels off?
I forget.

Either way, its one of those bushes that looks ok till you put it an unusual position.

Its not the kind of item that causes major failure in the steering or drive....so i imagine its easily passed by lol.

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Abiton on 17. Mar 2011 at 14:39

They were well aware of it, because I supplied a spare wishbone and asked them to fit it.

They said it didn't need doing.
I disagree, but am happy that it isn't dangerous.

If you go back to my thread from a week or so back, someone on here said that it isn't a fail in its present condition. I have a feeling that member may be an MOT tester himself, not sure.

Edit, the wheels stay on for MOT, AFAIK.

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by razzo on 17. Mar 2011 at 15:39

mine gave up the ghost a while ago so i pressed in poly bushes

:y

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Xenon on 17. Mar 2011 at 15:48

wow I didnt know you could get poly bushes for the rear ones. Where did you get them from?

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazyfecker on 17. Mar 2011 at 16:22

Nothing is allowed to be removed for MOT but the car is jacked up... MOT's are a matter of the tester's opinion... I'd be checking that bush very carefully for play (which is the actual failure) in that state and certainly advising it :y

Play in the rear bushes isn't as bad as the fronts but will still affect the handling and tyre wear ;)

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 17. Mar 2011 at 16:44

razzo wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 15:39:

mine gave up the ghost a while ago so i pressed in poly bushes

:y

How hard is it to remove old bushes and press in the poly ones?
I've heard all about it, but i've not got access to heavy presses or anything, just some hands and cheap tools lol and maybe a bit of homegrown ingenuity!! :y ::) :D

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazydocker on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:14

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 16:44:

razzo wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 15:39:

mine gave up the ghost a while ago so i pressed in poly bushes

:y

ISTR that Mark DTM managed to break a 10 Tonne Press trying to do some at Newent a few years back :o :o :o

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:53

yeah, my thoughts exactly lol.

I knew pressing bushes could be hard, so i will avoid lol

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by V6 CDX-er on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:54

tidla wrote on 16. Mar 2011 at 19:25:

o-meg-a wrote on 16. Mar 2011 at 19:17:

id say in it!

:o

I've seen sunken WW2 battle ships that look better :o

I've just got a set of front lower wishbones, complete with balljoints for £76. Thing is I'm having a bit of a senior moment and cant remember the name of the firm that I got them from :-[

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by V6 CDX-er on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56:

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

Bargin-tastic :y

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazydocker on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56:

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

These sound like the cheap ones I've been using... They seem to last about 18 months (35-40k for me) :y

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by V6 CDX-er on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:02

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58:

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56:

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

These sound like the cheap ones I've been using... They seem to last about 18 months (35-40k for me) :y

Sorry for the thread hijack, but I'm in the middle of replacing my wishbones as we speak, and as usual when I touch the spanners, I've come up against a problem.

My new wishbones had new balljoints attatched. I've left the track-rod end in-situ, and I'm really struggling to pop the balljoint back into place. I cant lower the wishbone enough because of the bracket on the rear-most mount and knocking the nipple of the balljoint this way or that isn't helping either.

Any tips please chaps? I've done a quick search but cant find anything to help?

In advance, many thanks :y

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazydocker on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:11

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:02:

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58:

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56:

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

These sound like the cheap ones I've been using... They seem to last about 18 months (35-40k for me) :y

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by V6 CDX-er on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:14

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:11:

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:02:

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58:

[quote author=420040484A004C2D0 link=1300296371/22#22 date=1300380960]yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

These sound like the cheap ones I've been using... They seem to last about 18 months (35-40k for me) :y

Perseverance I'm afraid.... It will go :y :y

I use a 3' Lever Bar to lever down on the wishbone personally, although it doesn't need that much.... I assume you've tried it with the steering turned to full lock/straight ahead? I can't remember what position I find easiest because I just do it without thinking :-[ :-[/quote]

Cheers LD :y

Been struggling with it all afternoon TBH. First with getting the bolt hole lined up for the rear mount, and now getting the balljoint in. Not easy work when I'm having to look after my 7 month old daughter who wont sleep because she's cutting her teeth. :'(

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazydocker on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:17

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:14:

Cheers LD :y

Been struggling with it all afternoon TBH. First with getting the bolt hole lined up for the rear mount, and now getting the balljoint in. Not easy work when I'm having to look after my 7 month old daughter who wont sleep because she's cutting her teeth. :'(

Pity you aren't nearer... I'm in no fit state to do it but the moral support of someone who has done a few ( ::)) can be a big help... Think the last change took me just over 2 hours including getting the tools out/away and a cuppa ;)

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by V6 CDX-er on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:21

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:17:

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:14:

You could always try going outside and shouting words of encouragement? It's only what, 170 miles from me to you? If you shout loud enough I might be able to hear you? :D

edited because I had spelt "me" incorrectly.

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazydocker on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:25

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:21:

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:17:

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:14:

Who's been telling tales... I'm not that loud! :D :D :D

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Abiton on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:16

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:02:

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58:

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56:

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

These sound like the cheap ones I've been using... They seem to last about 18 months (35-40k for me) :y

This may be a daft suggestion, as I've yet to tackle the job...

...but if you can't get the wishbone/balljoint low enough, isn't the answer to compress the spring a bit, and let the hub come up? :-/

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by V6 CDX-er on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:20

Abiton wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:16:

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:02:

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58:

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56:

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

These sound like the cheap ones I've been using... They seem to last about 18 months (35-40k for me) :y

This may be a daft suggestion, as I've yet to tackle the job...

...but if you can't get the wishbone/balljoint low enough, isn't the answer to compress the spring a bit, and let the hub come up? :-/

I'm just about to try doing that by placing a jack underneath the brake disc. I just don't know if it is a good idea or not? Am I likely to end up damaging the brake disc?

As sees as the caliper is off already, and I still have my old discs, I may put one of the old discs on so that I damage that, not the new one?

Any suggestions chaps? :-/

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by o-meg-a on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:26

Everything i've read suggests levering arm down...but you could use a jack to do that too

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Abiton on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:30

What about fitting two adjacent wheel-bolts into the disc, then a solid block of oak/steel/other under the pair of them and jack up under that? That would be similar loading to how it would be with wheel on the road, but rather harder on those two bolts.

You probably only need to move it up a couple of inches though, so probably do-able?

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Lazydocker on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:31

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:20:

I wouldn't... You ideally need to be able to move the suspension leg around ;) ;)

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by razzo on 17. Mar 2011 at 21:25

Xenon wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 15:48:

wow I didnt know you could get poly bushes for the rear ones. Where did you get them from?

don't think you can get them anywhere so i made them up myself & they were pressed in with a 4 inch bench vice with soft jaws, its a nice mod though :y

Title: Re: Is this a worn wishbone bush?
Post by Sethsmate on 18. Mar 2011 at 01:46

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:20:

Abiton wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 19:16:

V6 CDX-er wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 18:02:

Lazydocker wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:58:

o-meg-a wrote on 17. Mar 2011 at 17:56:

yeah i just got some for £49.95 delivered, with balljoints and bushes.

These sound like the cheap ones I've been using... They seem to last about 18 months (35-40k for me) :y

This may be a daft suggestion, as I've yet to tackle the job...

...but if you can't get the wishbone/balljoint low enough, isn't the answer to compress the spring a bit, and let the hub come up? :-/

Have you disconnected the drop-links on BOTH sides? ;)