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Title: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:44
...that he is trying to empty due to a leak. 15% full this morning, drive to work, check, 7% left. So went out at lunchtime, and after work gave it a very spirited ride home. When I get home, still running, although gauge needle hard against the endstop (marked 5%). Took it out for another blast for about 10m. Still running. Leave it idling on drive whilst I tech2 the MV6, and try to resolve a diagnostics problem with MV6. The Elite is still running.
Locked it up, gave up, walked in. |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by hoofing it on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:47
Did you fit another tank in the spare wheel well and forgot about it :-*
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:48 hoofing it wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:47:
After all the currys, maybe CG and LD have farted in it.... |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by JamesV6CDX on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:48 TheBoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:44:
Where is the leak, TB? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:50 JamesV6CDX wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:48:
In the tank... |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by hoofing it on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:53 TheBoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:48:
you mean talk s+++e ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by JamesV6CDX on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:05 TheBoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:50:
A valve, I hope ::) (Ahh, relates to your post about how they're sealed, all falling into place now) :y |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by cem on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:11
why not empty it from the boot..
and the smell is more effective than a bottle of whisky ;D :P |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:13
Worried about the fill stop too... I wonder if it's worth removing that too :-/ :-/ :-/ Nah... But don't forget to rotate the tank slightly and fully tighten the straps too ;) ;)
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:13 TheBoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:48:
Just because you were having "confidence" issues ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:37 Lazydocker wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:13:
Tank tweaked and tightened (later through necessity ::)). Need to test how far tank fills again. |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:37 Lazydocker wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:13:
Sunday morning, that was a bit or an ordeal.... :-[ |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Omegatoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:44
I certainly would not be running it out of petrol by driving it? if its got to come out then it wont weigh much now, not worth the hassle of sucking a load of crap into the lines and filters etc?
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:45
You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:50 Omegatoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:44:
LPG tank ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:50 Omegatoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:44:
LPG, buddy ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:51 tunnie wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:45:
Nope... Runs fine. Just got to sort the very slight leak from one of the valves on the tank ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:51 tunnie wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:45:
It runs fine on LPG. Very well. The problem is, it uses LPG even when its turned off ::) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:54 TheBoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:51:
But obviously not much if it's still not empty ::) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:55 TheBoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:37:
Sunday morning, that was a bit or an ordeal.... :-[/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I can only laugh because it wasn't my ordeal :P :P :P |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 13. Apr 2011 at 22:22 Lazydocker wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:54:
No smoking around the Elite then, actually no, lets all spark one up! 8-) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by chrisgixer on 13. Apr 2011 at 23:31 tunnie wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 20:45:
Even though your plenty tall enough to reach the stop, the pedal does have to be pressed to get the lag. Ie, somewhere above tick over. :P. ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 14. Apr 2011 at 09:49 chrisgixer wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 23:31:
The argument of course could be that the 4pot has no power to create lag ::) When i get my Monaro/VXR8 we will see who will have 3/4 of an engine :P ;D ;D :D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by cem on 14. Apr 2011 at 09:58 tunnie wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 09:49:
Tunnie, get a proper M5.. |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:03 tunnie wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 09:49:
Or just that yours is a manual, which has different characteristics on gearchange ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:06 Lazydocker wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:03:
You mean a proper gearbox removes the fault? :-X :-X ;D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:10 tunnie wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:06:
I wouldn't refer to any omega manual box as proper... But of course it does as you control the injector timings with your right foot, and it's much slower to change than an auto, which cuts injector times to limit the torque on change ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:17
thats why I always like a manual, as I control how fast/slow the change is, and most importantly it changes gear, when I want it to!
VXR8 manual with LPG? :D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:25 tunnie wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:17:
But the Omega manual box is horrible ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:30
I like it, the throw is a little long, but I like fact can rest my arm on the arm rest in most gears.
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:50 tunnie wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:30:
There's an understatement!!!!!! And as for resting your arm... Both Hands should be on the wheel ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Kevin Wood on 14. Apr 2011 at 11:38 Lazydocker wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 10:50:
Seconded. I would be trying to take some of the travel out of the stick, and remove some of the sponginess, if I had a manual Omega. Then again, I'm used to the Westfield and the MX-5 which both have short throw and very little slack in the gearchange. A manual omega feels like stirring porridge in comparison. ;D Kevin |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 14. Apr 2011 at 12:15
I'm another who doesn't like the omega manual box, despite preferring manual cars...
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 14. Apr 2011 at 13:50
maybe i'm just used to it now, I did prefer the much shorter shift in my old Mondeo. But i'd still have any manual over an auto!
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Albs on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:25 TheBoy wrote on 13. Apr 2011 at 19:50:
Just noticed that mine is leaking again - professional installs eh ? ::) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:36 Albs wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:25:
Tank end or engine bay? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Albs on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:39
Tank again. Wind the pipes in a bit tighter again I suppose ? ;D
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:43 Albs wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:39:
I find it a little concerning that they keep working loose :-? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Albs on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:57
Oh I dunno, its been almost a year since last time....... :D
Might make sure no- one smokes in there for the next 9 days and then seek advice at the Essex meet ? ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 17:44 Albs wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 16:57:
Nip them up again ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Albs on 14. Apr 2011 at 18:25
OK,will do. :y
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 14. Apr 2011 at 20:28
I managed to run mine out at last. Going sideways between Silverstone and Wappenham >:(
Anyway, get it home, it kept switching back to petrol immediately on idle, so thats as empty as I could get it. Undone the polyflex connection at the back, not even a hiss. Undone the valve from the tank (only in 3 turns :o), only a tiny hiss (and I mean tiny). So the pickup can't be far out ;D Cleaned up threads, PTFE and liquid sealent, on 4 turns (couldn't get 5 - managed 4.5, but had to wind back half a turn). Leaving to fully cure until tomorrow night or Sat morning. Fingers crossed. |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 20:37
Hopefully that will sort it then :y :y
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 14. Apr 2011 at 20:47 Lazydocker wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 20:37:
Pop 5l in, bring home, then check for smell? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 21:02 TheBoy wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 20:47:
Hmm... Tricky one that. Id didn't start leaking until it was full before :-/ :-/ But I'd be wanting to start with less than a full tank this time ::) ::) When you do fill it, keep an eye on the pump in case the shut off doesn't cut in like before ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 14. Apr 2011 at 21:06 Lazydocker wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 21:02:
Tempted to put just a little in, check, then perhaps half fill it, check again, then fill to 70% on gauage, check, then let it run out again, and fill to full or 65l, and adjust tank as reqd Sound like a superplan? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 21:26 TheBoy wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 21:06:
Sounds like the best plan you can really use ;) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by chrisgixer on 14. Apr 2011 at 22:44
Got a can of gas leak detector spray ::) if it helps. Spray on, blows bubbles from the gas escaping. Probably the same as soapy water though. :-/
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 23:06 chrisgixer wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 22:44:
It is soapy water ;) ;) ;) Like I said, trouble is that it didn't leak until it was full and had been in there for 5 mins or so ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by chrisgixer on 14. Apr 2011 at 23:26 Lazydocker wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 23:06:
Aha, different apparently :-/ doesn't corrode or sumat. De ironized maybe. ..? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 14. Apr 2011 at 23:49 chrisgixer wrote on 14. Apr 2011 at 23:26:
I'd guess that it's oil based in some way :-/ :-/ |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 15. Apr 2011 at 10:41
My can of gas leak detector from shitfix is, errr, shit
Back to nostrils for me |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 15. Apr 2011 at 10:42 TheBoy wrote on 15. Apr 2011 at 10:41:
As I said on Sunday... The best leak detector for LPG is the Mark 1 Nose and Ears ;) ;) ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 15. Apr 2011 at 10:44
are you sure the gas escaping is not from a certain curry? ::) ;D
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 16. Apr 2011 at 08:35
Popped 10l in the tank, no sign of leak in the gas tight box :D :D, so now need to add a bit more. Might pop it straight up to 65l.
The downside, is both Mrs TheBoy and I are convinced there is a leak from front end, we both reckon around the 1/3/5 bank, though it could be from vap/filters, anywhere really. Don't think its 2/4/6 bank. Can't seem to pinpoint further though - nothing seems to be visibly leaking, and the shitfix leak detector is as much use as a used johnny smeared in dogshit. |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:28 Quote:
Really? I'd be very surprised if there is :o Certainly wasn't any sign of a leak on Sunday ;) Sure you're not being a touch paranoid? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:32 Lazydocker wrote on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:28:
We both smelt it it bonnet open. Smell seems to go when on petrol, and I reckon return after a few seconds of running on *any* lpg injector, making me think: liquid filter evap gas filters injector blocks hoses |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:33
just cant pinpoint it though, other than it is defo 1/3/5
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:55
After the faff with the tank valve I think I'd be looking around the liquid phase filter :-/ check the bowl on it hasn't worked a little loose with all the trial fit/re-fit, remove, fit again ;)
Can't see it being a vapour phase leak with how tight the hoses were |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:58 Lazydocker wrote on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:55:
After having another sniff, I'm wondering about injector block. LPG gas is heavier than air, isn't it (though with the heat in engine bay, who knows :-/) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 16. Apr 2011 at 09:58
Would you see LPG vapout leaks? Or liquid leaks?
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 16. Apr 2011 at 10:07
Unlikey to be a big enough leak to be visible TBH. Injector block could be possible... The 1,3,5 block was fitted "out of the box" except for the nozzles... Perhaps the large inlet/blanking plug isn't sealing properly :-/
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 16. Apr 2011 at 11:51
I reckon it's injector block. Tightened nozzles, removed and refitted blank plug, loosened and retightened feed pipe. Still same.
Odour comes from that area as soon as switchover to gas |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 16. Apr 2011 at 12:06 TheBoy wrote on 16. Apr 2011 at 11:51:
Strange... Definitely no leaks when we calibrated it last weekend... I checked all of the front end thoroughly after the leaking tank valve knocked my confidence a little :-[ :-[ Can only suggest a bit of very soapy water (instead of the crappy leak detector spray) around the joints and check the pipes (including the injector pipes) for any sign of a leak :-/ :-/ |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Entwood on 16. Apr 2011 at 15:23 TheBoy wrote on 16. Apr 2011 at 11:51:
Don't know your system .. but could you unplug each gas injector in turn and see if it is just one feed from the injector to the head ?? I know this would cause a missfire on each in turn .. but might narrow the search down ??? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 16. Apr 2011 at 15:48 Entwood wrote on 16. Apr 2011 at 15:23:
I expect the leak, and very small it must be, is in the feed to the injector block... I would expect there to be some misfire symptoms if it was after the injector :-/ :-/ Mind you... He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it ;) ;) If it does then we know that it's the injector pipes leaking, not the feed to the block :y |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 16. Apr 2011 at 21:02 Lazydocker wrote on 16. Apr 2011 at 15:48:
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block. |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by tunnie on 17. Apr 2011 at 08:40 TheBoy wrote on 16. Apr 2011 at 21:02:
Did it still leak? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 17. Apr 2011 at 09:59 tunnie wrote on 17. Apr 2011 at 08:40:
Oh yes :'( But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by chrisgixer on 17. Apr 2011 at 11:31 TheBoy wrote on 17. Apr 2011 at 09:59:
That's all he came for really.... :o :-X. ;D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Lazydocker on 17. Apr 2011 at 12:17 TheBoy wrote on 17. Apr 2011 at 09:59:
So... What was leaking and have you fixed it? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 17. Apr 2011 at 20:07 chrisgixer wrote on 17. Apr 2011 at 11:31:
And the icecream ;D |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by chrisgixer on 17. Apr 2011 at 20:24 TheBoy wrote on 17. Apr 2011 at 20:07:
He was round again today, stopped outside my house looking expectant and asking for you..... ;D. He was most disappointed. :'( |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 17. Apr 2011 at 20:49 chrisgixer wrote on 17. Apr 2011 at 20:24:
My icecream man thinks I've died - 2 days running he's stopped at end of my drive, and I've resisted... |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by Kevin Wood on 17. Apr 2011 at 21:17 TheBoy wrote on 17. Apr 2011 at 20:49:
Hmm. I think there's some raspberry ripple in the freezer. :P Back in a minute. ::) |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 18. Apr 2011 at 20:34
Bugger, can't get it booked in for certification until after the Easter and subsequent bank holiday periods.
Still, will give me time to sort out the calibration, thats currently sending the trims in a tizz |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by chrisgixer on 18. Apr 2011 at 21:20 TheBoy wrote on 18. Apr 2011 at 20:34:
vap pressure too far out? ...and how much does your cert cost? |
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Title: Re: TheBoy's magic fuel tank... Post by TheBoy on 18. Apr 2011 at 21:28 chrisgixer wrote on 18. Apr 2011 at 21:20:
It had crept up to 1.2, I've dragged it back down to 1.06 now. |
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