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Question about EML
03. Aug 2006 at 18:06

Hi Peeps

Prolly another silly question but....

If the EML is on...Not in limp mode....no power loss either.....will the fuel consumption suffer?
Does the ECU alter engine settings if the EML is on?

Reason I ask is my EML came on this morning.....took 3 goes to get it to start....then ran fine as above but EML stayed on nearly all day.

I went to Ipswich today.....360 miles round trip.....and my fuel consumption on LPG was back to where it was before I changed the clogged air filter.....well 1mpg better! it averaged (worked out with mileage and how much lpg i used) 25mpg (no aircon on), i was expecting high 20's. EML did go out after about 300 miles.

If no is the answer i think a trip to lpg installers again to check setup, as i havent done this since i changed the air filter for a nice clean one and i guess it could be now running too lean.

I read the engine codes just now and got

P0170 NP Rich/lean exhaust
P0340 NP Camshaft No/Incorrect signal
P1700 NP SVS request via CAN eh???
P0700 (didnt say NP or Present) EOBD Error stored by transmission control module/MIL request from transmission control module

From the transmission i got

P0727 CAN receive error eh???
p1781 CAN receive error eh???

I had these codes before about 3 weeks ago......vx dealer just reset the codes!!
Theres gotta be summat going wrong here......and im going to book it in with another dealer...coz if i take it back to orig dealer and they just reset the codes again......this to me is unacceptable! Do they expect me to keep taking it in every few weeks for them to reset the codes?? I can do that!!

While i was there i also looked at CLIMATE

Got

32 Left solar sensor low input
34 Right solar sensor low input

Any ideas what that means or what they do??

Cheers

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Re: Question about EML
Reply #2 - 03. Aug 2006 at 18:34

TheBoy wrote on 03. Aug 2006 at 18:14:

Was the Camshaft one present last time?

Just went to double check previous post.....on the other site (useful for summat!!)

Yep it was.....i had forgotten last time what the code meant.....you helpfully reminded me, also you corrected me on what P0170 was, as i got that wrong last time!!

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Auto Addict Administrator Offline OOF's Elder Statesman Posts: 10091 North Birmingham Gender: Drives: 2.6 CDX	Re: Question about EML Reply #3 - 03. Aug 2006 at 18:34 Hmmm.....it sounds like the same prob. I had, turned out to be the cam sensor. Mine, according to the dealer, was reading transmission codes.
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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Question about EML Reply #4 - 03. Aug 2006 at 18:38 Could be a sign of a failing cam sensor... Not sure about the other codes - maybe a result of lpg?
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Re: Question about EML
Reply #5 - 03. Aug 2006 at 19:14

Cheers guys

Think i'll take it to the other dealer across other side of town.....will cost me 15 notes in cab fares Grin

but rather go there as they have been helpful with a prob on my vectra dual fuel (they have lpg facilities) and also signing form for trade club card, unlike dealer within walking distance! Better do it pretty soon as cab fares go up 1st sept!! Cheesy

I agree with you Jaime about P0170....and not bothered about that one.....but others carnt be lpg related, can they?
Actually.....thinking about it you sound like the blokey behind the service desk at my nearest vx dealer.. Grin

...1st time i took it there with these faults....this will be the 4th time....he blamed the lpg conversion! he even said ecu was complaining of lpg errors......tho he couldnt show me......afaik its only the proper dual fuel jobbies that the ecu knows about the lpg.
Second visit.....they didnt mention the lpg conversion and changed the MAF sensor as the fix.
Did go a couple of months b4 prob came back......
Third visit the vx dealer just reset the codes.....no fault found!
When I get the EML on its always on starting.....never when its been running a while....when starting and for at least 30secs depending if hot or cold its on petrol.

Cheers

Dave

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Auto Addict Administrator Offline OOF's Elder Statesman Posts: 10091 North Birmingham Gender: Drives: 2.6 CDX	Re: Question about EML Reply #6 - 03. Aug 2006 at 21:29 Exactly Dave!
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Taxi Driver Omega Lord Offline OOF Holly Dog Posts: 8413 Swindon Gender: Drives: Fiat Scudo 90 Multijet (whatever that means!)	Re: Question about EML Reply #7 - 04. Aug 2006 at 21:47 Omega is booked in with vx dealer other side of town on tuesday.......will let you what they decide is wrong Eml light came back on this morning when starting and has been on all day ....done about 200 miles today
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Auto Addict Administrator Offline OOF's Elder Statesman Posts: 10091 North Birmingham Gender: Drives: 2.6 CDX	Re: Question about EML Reply #8 - 04. Aug 2006 at 22:24 My monies on the cam sensor.
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Taxi Driver Omega Lord Offline OOF Holly Dog Posts: 8413 Swindon Gender: Drives: Fiat Scudo 90 Multijet (whatever that means!)	Re: Question about EML - Update Reply #9 - 08. Aug 2006 at 13:08 Hi all Well me meega has been at vx dealer this morning....the one across town Just had the 'phonecall'......any one want to guess their diagnosis?? AA reckons cam sensor.....is he right?? Okay i'll give you a clue......no he's not Fancy another go AA?
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nixoro Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3104 Hitchin, Herts Gender: Drives: 56 Plate - Zafira 1.6	Re: Question about EML Reply #10 - 08. Aug 2006 at 13:43 I'll give it ago it wouldn't be the lambda sensor would it
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Taxi Driver Omega Lord Offline OOF Holly Dog Posts: 8413 Swindon Gender: Drives: Fiat Scudo 90 Multijet (whatever that means!)	Re: Question about EML Reply #11 - 08. Aug 2006 at 13:55 Another clue time.....£660 + VAT Sorry nixoro......wrong Plus they carnt do it until the morning but they did offer to deliver it back to me
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nixoro Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3104 Hitchin, Herts Gender: Drives: 56 Plate - Zafira 1.6	Re: Question about EML Reply #12 - 08. Aug 2006 at 14:04 For a price that high I would go with the ECU playing silly beggers. Hope its not the case. Although that Vx's answer to everthing.
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Taxi Driver Omega Lord Offline OOF Holly Dog Posts: 8413 Swindon Gender: Drives: Fiat Scudo 90 Multijet (whatever that means!)	Re: Question about EML Reply #13 - 08. Aug 2006 at 14:24 Yep...correct...they're changing the ECU
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nixoro Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3104 Hitchin, Herts Gender: Drives: 56 Plate - Zafira 1.6	Re: Question about EML Reply #14 - 08. Aug 2006 at 14:26 Wasn't it you who had it replaced or someone else on hear. If it was yourself surely that would still be under warranty.
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