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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #180 - 23. Aug 2007 at 22:19

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 23. Aug 2007 at 22:17:

As for the starter connections...

Big red cable to main screw lug (obvious)
2.5mm² cable in Black red to connector 50
0.5mm² cable in Black/Green to connector 38H

The last connection goes to the fuel filter heater relay.

As for the control solenoid on the pump, the wiring diagram sudgests that both pumps have them.

And the forth cable, not mentioned in haynes wiring diags goes to the big connector as well, as its the alternetor output - connecting to the start3er relay has obvious effects Roll Eyes

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #181 - 23. Aug 2007 at 22:30

just meant to say don't forget all 4 injectors as they different nozzles and flow rates not just the centre one with the connector. Dont know set up of Omega pump, but normally you can get to them with a bit more cursing and stripping bits off like engine mounts etc....
Look forward to hearing how it goes. Sorry have to log off now SWMBO is dragging me upstairs and not just to sleep me thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wehey Thumbs Up!

. Didn't realise is was that time of year already Grin

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #182 - 24. Aug 2007 at 08:39

Omegatoy wrote on 23. Aug 2007 at 20:01:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Aug 2007 at 19:46:

now getting code 34 (no fecking eml though - thats why beemer owners think their heap of crap is so reliable, it never brings on warning light)

34 - injector timing out of range

bugger.

hooray!!! that concurs with the running problems!!!! simply put the injectors are putting to much fuel in amd the ecu cant back it off!!! got to be pump sensor, or pieco lead injector!!! Thumbs Up!

According to EPC, the solenoid is the same on both engines. ALL the injectors are different, reading between the lines in TIS, they have a different spray pattern.

Anyone know where I can get a removal tool for the injectors?

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #183 - 24. Aug 2007 at 08:39

familyman wrote on 23. Aug 2007 at 22:30:

just meant to say don't forget all 4 injectors as they different nozzles and flow rates not just the centre one with the connector. Dont know set up of Omega pump, but normally you can get to them with a bit more cursing and stripping bits off like engine mounts etc....
Look forward to hearing how it goes. Sorry have to log off now SWMBO is dragging me upstairs and not just to sleep me thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wehey Thumbs Up!

. Didn't realise is was that time of year already Grin

you mean all 6 Wink

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #184 - 24. Aug 2007 at 12:47

TheBoy wrote on 24. Aug 2007 at 08:39:

familyman wrote on 23. Aug 2007 at 22:30:

just meant to say don't forget all 4 injectors as they different nozzles and flow rates not just the centre one with the connector. Dont know set up of Omega pump, but normally you can get to them with a bit more cursing and stripping bits off like engine mounts etc....
Look forward to hearing how it goes. Sorry have to log off now SWMBO is dragging me upstairs and not just to sleep me thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wehey Thumbs Up!

. Didn't realise is was that time of year already Grin

you mean all 6 Wink

Of course sorry mind was on other things Grin

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #185 - 24. Aug 2007 at 12:53

familyman wrote on 24. Aug 2007 at 12:47:

TheBoy wrote on 24. Aug 2007 at 08:39:

familyman wrote on 23. Aug 2007 at 22:30:

just meant to say don't forget all 4 injectors as they different nozzles and flow rates not just the centre one with the connector. Dont know set up of Omega pump, but normally you can get to them with a bit more cursing and stripping bits off like engine mounts etc....
Look forward to hearing how it goes. Sorry have to log off now SWMBO is dragging me upstairs and not just to sleep me thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wehey Thumbs Up!

. Didn't realise is was that time of year already Grin

you mean all 6 Wink

Of course sorry mind was on other things Grin

So, to clarify, as pump and solenoid in pump have same part numbers, I just need to change injectors over.

If that doesn't cure it, do I then need to adjust the pump timing?

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familyman Intermediate Member Offline Posts: 320 Sittingbourne, Kent Gender:	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #186 - 24. Aug 2007 at 13:00 Definately change injectors over. if pump which comes with solenoid is the same part no. for early and late then you don't need to swop solenoid. Do injectors and see what happens. Like i said before if engine was running okay before i wouldn't start playing with pump timing just yet.
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #187 - 24. Aug 2007 at 13:05

familyman wrote on 24. Aug 2007 at 13:00:

Definately change injectors over. if pump which comes with solenoid is the same part no. for early and late then you don't need to swop solenoid. Do injectors and see what happens. Like i said before if engine was running okay before i wouldn't start playing with pump timing just yet.

Need to find a tool to remove injectors with - looks like a big, deep socket. And the one with the electric connector, how does tha come off?

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #188 - 24. Aug 2007 at 13:11

I need to have a further look at the wiring info as there was one slight difference I noted on the scms between the two pumps which could be changed in the loom setup.....it could also be nothing more than error on the pump symbol.

It was related to the pump feedback sensors (potentiometers), it looked like there could be a difference......may be nothing but, I will check anyway.

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Reply #189 - 24. Aug 2007 at 13:13

The socket is more like a ring spanner at the bottom, half the tube part of the socket is missing with a full 1/2"" connection in the top. Would lend you mine but its out on loan at the mo. and as usual can't get hold of the "mate" whose borrowed it. Embarrassed

looks a bit like this from the side: [ . Laser do a good socket and their tools have been good quality lately Thumbs Up!

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #190 - 24. Aug 2007 at 13:15

familyman wrote on 24. Aug 2007 at 13:13:

The socket is more like a ring spanner at the bottom, half the tube part of the socket is missing with a full 1/2"" connection in the top. Would lend you mine but its out on loan at the mo. and as usual can't get hold of the "mate" whose borrowed it. Embarrassed

looks a bit like this from the side: [ . Laser do a good socket and their tools have been good quality lately Thumbs Up!

Where can I get one - Brackley Autosave won't sell it.

Know what size it is?

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #191 - 24. Aug 2007 at 13:17

Marks DTM Calib wrote on 24. Aug 2007 at 13:11:

I need to have a further look at the wiring info as there was one slight difference I noted on the scms between the two pumps which could be changed in the loom setup.....it could also be nothing more than error on the pump symbol.

It was related to the pump feedback sensors (potentiometers), it looked like there could be a difference......may be nothing but, I will check anyway.

If you could, that would be appreciated. I was really hoping to get this going this weekend, as need it for Wales meet, but currently, I can't see a resolution Cry

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #192 - 24. Aug 2007 at 13:35

Must confess been a while since i bought the socket so can't remember what size it is. But http://www.lasertools.co.uk/tools.aspx?cat=197 is the web site for laser go to automotive then diesel then injector sockets, but you'll need to know the size don't know if tis can help you or epc. Sorry don't know how to set up links Embarrassed

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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #193 - 24. Aug 2007 at 16:14 Any diesel experts passing Brackley this weekend, feel free to drop in
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