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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #30 - 19. Aug 2007 at 09:55
 
TheBoy wrote on 18. Aug 2007 at 23:20:
We attempted the engine swap today, started at about 10:30ish by time we got there.  Took a little longer than planned to remove, but was out by 1:30.  By time we got it to Brackley, and unloaded, it was about 2:30.

Quickly pulled out my old engine, changed a couple of bits over and removed loom from donor engine, started to put new engine in around 4ish.

Could we get the blank to line up on the gearbox? Could we heck.  After 5 and a half hours, sucess, we got the engine bolts to gearbox.  What an absolute blank  Angry

So, jobs left to do - everything really. Bolt on PAS, Bolt on oil cooler pipes, bolt on compressor, fit electric fans, consdensor, rad, hoses, airbox, turbo pipes, exhaust, a/c pipes, hbv, expansion bottle, loom, and plenty more.  Must removed to fit TC bolts as well!  Lots and lots still to do.

I had hoped to be not far off getting it to run today, but that bloody car is jinxed.  We were all wet and cold, and very tired by 10pm, after being on it all day.  Good job my neighbour is away, as there was plenty of bad language towards the end Roll Eyes


Still, decent progress has been made due to the perseverence of my fellow conspirators, to whom I owe a huge debt of gratitude:

So a massive thankyou to Omegatoy, Kevin Wood, LFF64, Bo Bo, and Tunnie, for your time, your effort, your skills, and your commradeship today.  Personally, despite the fact the fecking car is possessed by some evil spirit, I had a very enjoyable day.  Bloody knackered now though.

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Dunno about that bit!  Grin

I did'nt really do much, was more of a learning experience for me really first ever engine change. Learned at though, like if another one is done, remove the gearbox and attach that to the engine outside the car, then put it all in one go!
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #31 - 19. Aug 2007 at 10:52
 
fantastic efforts in one day guys  Smiley

However,  Wink , whilst what gaping hole was showing in the engine bay did you not think to fit something like a proper engine  Grin I hear Lexus V8`s (supercharged) go well in said engine bay Cheesy Hmmm supercharged Tractor ...
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #32 - 19. Aug 2007 at 12:45
 
Markie wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 10:52:
fantastic efforts in one day guys  Smiley

However,  Wink , whilst what gaping hole was showing in the engine bay did you not think to fit something like a proper engine  Grin I hear Lexus V8`s (supercharged) go well in said engine bay Cheesy Hmmm supercharged Tractor ...


Yep. I mentioned that that hole was gagging for a V8.  Thumbs Up!

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #33 - 19. Aug 2007 at 12:56
 
I have now managed to get clean warm and dry at last  Smiley I think I learnt a few things yesterday besides some swear words  Shocked As for pictures I think BO BO may have a few  Embarrassed it was a good day and I would not hesitate to do it again hopefully in the dry though  Thumbs Up!
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Reply #34 - 19. Aug 2007 at 13:23
 
It occurred to me on the way home..TB now has a knackered tractor engine with a working turbo on it.

Maybe it could be turned into something to stop the cold and the wet next time?

Something like a turbocharged wood burning stove? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDr-XXuvmo

Or something to make a round of golf more interesting? http://www.nickhaddock.co.uk/jetgolfbuggy.htm

.. or to keep the beer cold? http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #35 - 19. Aug 2007 at 13:40
 
Right, managed to get that barsteward loom that bolts to block in.  Oil cooler pipes on. PAS on (after retrieving bracket from old engine as the donor one had broken. A/C compressor back on, after swapping mounting brackets over (BMW saw fit to change the compressor design at some stage, bloody typical of them).  Driveplate to torque convertor bolts in, and torqued up. Starter motor in. Turbo to intercooler pipe.

So, lots of sensors to connect up, coolant hoses, gearbox wiring, HBV, vac pipes (these were all wrong before, so if anyone has a TD vac pipe layout, I need one!), electric fans, condensor, rad, exhaust, airbox, and all the intake stuff, and everything else I've forgotten.


Just chucked a couple of those burgers that I bought for bbq yesterday that never happened due to time weather. Bloody lovely.

Back out again in a minute once I've had a cuppa.
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #36 - 19. Aug 2007 at 13:44
 
TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 13:40:
Right, managed to get that barsteward loom that bolts to block in.  Oil cooler pipes on. PAS on (after retrieving bracket from old engine as the donor one had broken. A/C compressor back on, after swapping mounting brackets over (BMW saw fit to change the compressor design at some stage, bloody typical of them).  Driveplate to torque convertor bolts in, and torqued up. Starter motor in. Turbo to intercooler pipe.

So, lots of sensors to connect up, coolant hoses, gearbox wiring, HBV, vac pipes (these were all wrong before, so if anyone has a TD vac pipe layout, I need one!), electric fans, condensor, rad, exhaust, airbox, and all the intake stuff, and everything else I've forgotten.


Just chucked a couple of those burgers that I bought for bbq yesterday that never happened due to time weather. Bloody lovely.

Back out again in a minute once I've had a cuppa.


I would have joined you but, I had to fix the garage door which i broke.

Glad to say its all working now, although the door is a slightly different shape now!  Roll Eyes

Just had a massive clearance in the garage too, so depending how this all goes, might pop down later to inspect progress  Wink
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #37 - 19. Aug 2007 at 13:46
 
tunnie wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 13:44:
TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 13:40:
Right, managed to get that barsteward loom that bolts to block in.  Oil cooler pipes on. PAS on (after retrieving bracket from old engine as the donor one had broken. A/C compressor back on, after swapping mounting brackets over (BMW saw fit to change the compressor design at some stage, bloody typical of them).  Driveplate to torque convertor bolts in, and torqued up. Starter motor in. Turbo to intercooler pipe.

So, lots of sensors to connect up, coolant hoses, gearbox wiring, HBV, vac pipes (these were all wrong before, so if anyone has a TD vac pipe layout, I need one!), electric fans, condensor, rad, exhaust, airbox, and all the intake stuff, and everything else I've forgotten.


Just chucked a couple of those burgers that I bought for bbq yesterday that never happened due to time weather. Bloody lovely.

Back out again in a minute once I've had a cuppa.


I would have joined you but, I had to fix the garage door which i broke.

Glad to say its all working now, although the door is a slightly different shape now!  Roll Eyes

Just had a massive clearance in the garage too, so depending how this all goes, might pop down later to inspect progress  Wink

I may need a 'gadget hand' to plug gearbox loom back in if you have a mo....
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #38 - 19. Aug 2007 at 14:48
 
Sorry to hear that things did`nt go smooth for you all yesterday Undecided

can imagine the language must have been quite "Foreign" by late evening Grin

and as for the weather Angry Angry 

sounds like it`s going to take a while before you can close the case on this job Undecided

I really thought that you would get to the enjoyable things of such a meet at about 8 o`clock Shocked Shocked

hope you manage to finish the other jobs without to much trouble Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!

please keep us updated Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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Reply #39 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08
 
Fecking BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  Angry.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it  Angry) Wink


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.
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Reply #40 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12
 
TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:
Fecking BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  Angry.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it  Angry) Wink


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.


The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?
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Reply #41 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:13
 
JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12:
TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:
Fecking BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  Angry.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it  Angry) Wink


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.


The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...
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Reply #42 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:14
 
Oh, did get a 19 when it stalled, hasn't reoccured.  Don't think it is crank sensor, although that did take a beating yesterday.
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Reply #43 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:17
 
Once it's run a bit, glow plugs shouldn't make any odds?  Undecided

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Reply #44 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:21
 
JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:17:
Once it's run a bit, glow plugs shouldn't make any odds?  Undecided


If glow plugs don't work, you'll struggle to get that cylinder to fire....
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