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Dazzler Omega Baron Offline Drive it like you stole it...... Posts: 4459 Sutton, Surrey Gender: Drives: AMG C32 estate	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #45 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:22 I tend to agree with James, did you purge/bleed the fuel system???? Once it is running the glow plugs don't do anything Good luck, and i look forward to the continuing story
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #46 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:13:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:

Fecking BMW. I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people Angry

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Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong. Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2. Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out. So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it Angry

)

So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start. It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine. It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm. It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump? Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB Thumbs Up!

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #47 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24

Dazzler wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:22:

I tend to agree with James, did you purge/bleed the fuel system???? Once it is running the glow plugs don't do anything Undecided

Good luck, and i look forward to the continuing story Thumbs Up!

Its quite cold, so without glow plugs, you cant get the heat in to get that cylinder running. The amount of dirty smoke leads me to think it is fuelling ok Undecided

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Martin Imber Over Active Poster Offline LPG Omega V6 - Keyfobs Rebuilt Posts: 20110 Worcester Gender: Drives: 2001 Omega 2.6CD LPG & 3.0 cams	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #48 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24 Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one
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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #49 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:25 Martin Imber wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24: Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines?
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #50 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:27

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:13:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:

Fecking BMW. I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people Angry

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Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong. Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2. Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out. So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it Angry

)

So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start. It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine. It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm. It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump? Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB Thumbs Up!

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #51 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:29

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:27:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:13:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:

Fecking BMW. I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people Angry

.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong. Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2. Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out. So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it Angry

)

So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start. It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine. It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm. It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump? Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB Thumbs Up!

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s

Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

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Baron Von Spongebob Omega Baron Offline Living the dream Posts: 3015 South Wales Gender: Drives: Is the world ready for me..	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #52 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:29 Maybe a silly question but, Are all fuel lines sealed and not leaking otherwise air will get in to the system and give the appearance of running lumpy and missing..
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #53 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:32

Baron Von Spongebob wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:29:

Maybe a silly question but, Are all fuel lines sealed and not leaking otherwise air will get in to the system and give the appearance of running lumpy and missing.. Thumbs Up!

They seem tight. Those not familiar with this lump, there is a fuel line from the pump for each injector. Did wonder about an airlock in on or 2, but it normally clears quickly in my experience.

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Martin Imber Over Active Poster Offline LPG Omega V6 - Keyfobs Rebuilt Posts: 20110 Worcester Gender: Drives: 2001 Omega 2.6CD LPG & 3.0 cams	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #54 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:33 TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:25: Martin Imber wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24: Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines? No - only seeen new ones
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #55 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:34

Martin Imber wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:33:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:25:

Martin Imber wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24:

Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one

Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines?

No - only seeen new ones

runs of the chains, so all those covers off, cams/cranks locked, retiming afterwards... Cry

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #56 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:35

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:29:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:27:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:13:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:

Fecking BMW. I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people Angry

.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong. Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2. Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out. So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it Angry

)

So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start. It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine. It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm. It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump? Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB Thumbs Up!

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s

Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

Well there easy to check anyway.......pull the plugs off em.....and shove a meter on them to ground.....open circuit there knackered.....i got 3 ohms to ground on my merc for good one Thumbs Up!

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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #57 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:37

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:35:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:29:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:27:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:13:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:

Fecking BMW. I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people Angry

.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong. Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2. Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out. So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it Angry

)

So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start. It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine. It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm. It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump? Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB Thumbs Up!

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s

Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

Well there easy to check anyway.......pull the plugs off em.....and shove a meter on them to ground.....open circuit there knackered.....i got 3 ohms to ground on my merc for good one Thumbs Up!

Except, being designed by an imbeccile, all the fecking intake has to come off to get to the little beggers. Angry

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Have I mentioned how much I hate BMW?

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tunnie Over Active Poster Offline Posts: 22520 London, W3 Gender: Drives: 2.2 CD (LPG'd) & BMW R1200 GS	Re: Project Tractor engine swap Reply #58 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:41 you hate bmw?
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
Reply #59 - 19. Aug 2007 at 20:45

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:37:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:35:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:29:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:27:

Taxi Driver wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:24:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:13:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:12:

TheBoy wrote on 19. Aug 2007 at 20:08:

Fecking BMW. I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people Angry

.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong. Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2. Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out. So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical fecking BMW, changing it for the hell of it Angry

)

So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start. It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine. It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm. It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump? Smiley

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?

I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB Thumbs Up!

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s

Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

Well there easy to check anyway.......pull the plugs off em.....and shove a meter on them to ground.....open circuit there knackered.....i got 3 ohms to ground on my merc for good one Thumbs Up!

Except, being designed by an imbeccile, all the fecking intake has to come off to get to the little beggers. Angry

.

Have I mentioned how much I hate BMW?

Oh dear

On my old merc take the engine cover off and there are the little darlings Cool

Think you right......dont buy a tractor BMW Angry

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