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Sump plug troubles
23. Sep 2007 at 13:28

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

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Roy

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #1 - 23. Sep 2007 at 13:48

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:28:

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Roy

Yup, stripped thread.

If yours has copper washer, then cut into this to allow to to get a pry under the bolt, then undo.

Obviously, it needs to be helicoiled or retapped to a larger size.

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #2 - 23. Sep 2007 at 14:12

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:48:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:28:

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Roy

Yup, stripped thread.

If yours has copper washer, then cut into this to allow to to get a pry under the bolt, then undo.

Obviously, it needs to be helicoiled or retapped to a larger size.

ahh great I have a tap and die set but I doubt any of the set will be big enough for the job.

Unfortunately mine doesnt have a copper washer but I shall be having a look again at it next weekend.

Fortunately Its not seeping any oil so hopefully it will ok for the coming week.

Cheers for the advice

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #3 - 23. Sep 2007 at 14:26

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:12:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:48:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:28:

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Roy

Yup, stripped thread.

If yours has copper washer, then cut into this to allow to to get a pry under the bolt, then undo.

Obviously, it needs to be helicoiled or retapped to a larger size.

ahh great I have a tap and die set but I doubt any of the set will be big enough for the job.

Unfortunately mine doesnt have a copper washer but I shall be having a look again at it next weekend.

Fortunately Its not seeping any oil so hopefully it will ok for the coming week.

Cheers for the advice

So yours is the torx type?

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #4 - 23. Sep 2007 at 14:37

Obviously I could be proved a liar but is there enough metal to helicoil? When my sump plug was ripped out of the lower sump pan, it had been threaded into an ally 'boss' which had been pressed into the steel pan. I would think that it's the ally 'boss' that is spinning in the steel pan rather than the plug spinning in the ally.
The lower sump pan was about £35 (IIRC) and would be far easier to replace than trying to helicoil after you remove the sump plug.
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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #5 - 23. Sep 2007 at 15:28

I don't know anything about stripped sump bolts Roll Eyes

I would say that the thread on the plug has stripped, and collected at the top of the plug, hence why it won't come out of the sump.

I had to drill mine out.

It IS possible to helicoil, but if as andy says a new sump is only £35, it's not worth messing with, unless you already have a helicoil kit..

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #6 - 23. Sep 2007 at 15:51

JamesV6CDX wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 15:28:

I don't know anything about stripped sump bolts Roll Eyes

I would say that the thread on the plug has stripped, and collected at the top of the plug, hence why it won't come out of the sump.

I had to drill mine out.

It IS possible to helicoil, but if as andy says a new sump is only £35, it's not worth messing with, unless you already have a helicoil kit..

How easy does the sump come off though? Thats why I tapped the one on the tractor...

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #7 - 23. Sep 2007 at 15:56

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 15:51:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 15:28:

I don't know anything about stripped sump bolts Roll Eyes

I would say that the thread on the plug has stripped, and collected at the top of the plug, hence why it won't come out of the sump.

I had to drill mine out.

It IS possible to helicoil, but if as andy says a new sump is only £35, it's not worth messing with, unless you already have a helicoil kit..

How easy does the sump come off though? Thats why I tapped the one on the tractor...

Good point... I had to "persuade" mine off a little. Roll Eyes

Mark gave me a good tip = If you do tap in situ, use plenty of grease to catch the swarf, and run the old oil oil through the engine to flush out anything remaining..

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #8 - 23. Sep 2007 at 16:04

JamesV6CDX wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 15:56:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 15:51:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 15:28:

I don't know anything about stripped sump bolts Roll Eyes

I would say that the thread on the plug has stripped, and collected at the top of the plug, hence why it won't come out of the sump.

I had to drill mine out.

It IS possible to helicoil, but if as andy says a new sump is only £35, it's not worth messing with, unless you already have a helicoil kit..

How easy does the sump come off though? Thats why I tapped the one on the tractor...

Good point... I had to "persuade" mine off a little. Roll Eyes

Mark gave me a good tip = If you do tap in situ, use plenty of grease to catch the swarf, and run the old oil oil through the engine to flush out anything remaining..

Yup, a common sense approach, that I did when I did the tractor. I normally use a spot of grease on the tap anyway, whatever I'm tapping...

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #9 - 23. Sep 2007 at 20:43

Ah! Straight 6 diseasal Omegas? I've no idea the set up with those. The main ally sump on a V6 looks as though you need to book a month of work to remove, but the lower steel pan fixed to the bottom of it involves the removal of about 20 6mm Torx bolts & a well placed thump - pretty easy.
My Senator ended up with a BSP sump plug out a Scania/ERF/etc when the halfwit at Charlie Browns managed to strip/cross the f***er on a what thought would be a simple oil change Angry

Sump removal on C30SE's isn't an afternoons job!

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #10 - 25. Sep 2007 at 18:36

Been doing some investigating today VX want £135 + vat for a new sump, autovaux have also been searching for me and they can get a new sump for £50 + vat.

At the moment I am tempted to change the sump has anyone done this and whats involved I noticed mine runs above the chassis cross member.

Is it a case of unbolting the engine from its mounts and lifting for access also what damage could I do if I was to go this way.

Been also looking at heli coil kits if I can get the bolt out Ideally i'd like to just re-tap.

Does a sump replacement seem excessive.

All help on this would be much appreciated.

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #11 - 25. Sep 2007 at 18:40

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:26:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:12:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:48:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:28:

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Roy

Yup, stripped thread.

If yours has copper washer, then cut into this to allow to to get a pry under the bolt, then undo.

Obviously, it needs to be helicoiled or retapped to a larger size.

ahh great I have a tap and die set but I doubt any of the set will be big enough for the job.

Unfortunately mine doesnt have a copper washer but I shall be having a look again at it next weekend.

Fortunately Its not seeping any oil so hopefully it will ok for the coming week.

Cheers for the advice

So yours is the torx type?

Yep unfortunately this is the type I have.

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #12 - 25. Sep 2007 at 18:43

nixoro wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 18:40:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:26:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:12:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:48:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:28:

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Roy

Yup, stripped thread.

If yours has copper washer, then cut into this to allow to to get a pry under the bolt, then undo.

Obviously, it needs to be helicoiled or retapped to a larger size.

ahh great I have a tap and die set but I doubt any of the set will be big enough for the job.

Unfortunately mine doesnt have a copper washer but I shall be having a look again at it next weekend.

Fortunately Its not seeping any oil so hopefully it will ok for the coming week.

Cheers for the advice

So yours is the torx type?

Yep unfortunately this is the type I have.

Bit late now, but the have a very low torque setting (from memory, 15Nm)....

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Andy B Over Active Poster Offline Posts: 21988 Bury Lancs Gender: Drives: 1999 3.0 Elite auto/TDM	Re: Sump plug troubles Reply #13 - 25. Sep 2007 at 18:45 nixoro wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 18:36: Been doing some investigating today VX want £135 + vat for a new sump, ............. It can't be the same as I removed then . The sump on my 99 V6 is in 2 bits, a large ally casting and a smaller steel pan bolted up to it 14"or15" by 7"or8"
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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #14 - 25. Sep 2007 at 18:47

TheBoy wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 18:43:

nixoro wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 18:40:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:26:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:12:

TheBoy wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:48:

nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:28:

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Roy

Yup, stripped thread.

If yours has copper washer, then cut into this to allow to to get a pry under the bolt, then undo.

Obviously, it needs to be helicoiled or retapped to a larger size.

ahh great I have a tap and die set but I doubt any of the set will be big enough for the job.

Unfortunately mine doesnt have a copper washer but I shall be having a look again at it next weekend.

Fortunately Its not seeping any oil so hopefully it will ok for the coming week.

Cheers for the advice

So yours is the torx type?

Yep unfortunately this is the type I have.

Bit late now, but the have a very low torque setting (from memory, 15Nm)....

My mistake think i'm getting mixed up its a hex the star is in the bolt. still again abit late now.

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