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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #15 - 25. Sep 2007 at 18:55

nixoro wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 18:47:

TheBoy wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 18:43:

nixoro wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 18:40:

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nixoro wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 13:28:

Got all the bits for an oil change thought i was set went to remove the plug and it just spins no signs of it coming out.

It can only be my fault as I did the last oil change so i must have over torqued or cross threaded it.

Has anyone had the same problem and is it a sump off job?

Ive tried mole grips, tried to put a screwdriver under the edge of plug for leverage an neither worked.

Any help suggestions ideas on this one would be much appreciated.

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Roy

Yup, stripped thread.

If yours has copper washer, then cut into this to allow to to get a pry under the bolt, then undo.

Obviously, it needs to be helicoiled or retapped to a larger size.

ahh great I have a tap and die set but I doubt any of the set will be big enough for the job.

Unfortunately mine doesnt have a copper washer but I shall be having a look again at it next weekend.

Fortunately Its not seeping any oil so hopefully it will ok for the coming week.

Cheers for the advice

So yours is the torx type?

Yep unfortunately this is the type I have.

Bit late now, but the have a very low torque setting (from memory, 15Nm)....

My mistake think i'm getting mixed up its a hex the star is in the bolt. still again abit late now.

If its hex, it should have copper washer. If it needs a torx bit, then it hasn't. Torx type, as said, have very low torque setting

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nixoro Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3104 Hitchin, Herts Gender: Drives: 56 Plate - Zafira 1.6	Re: Sump plug troubles Reply #16 - 25. Sep 2007 at 19:20 Whats the opinions a whole sump replace or do my best with the trying to remove the bolt. My dads idea was to drill a whole and tap it put a bolt in for leverage and then turn. I like the idea but not sure if this would work.
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Kevin Wood Global Moderator Admin Team Offline Posts: 20377 Alton, Hampshire Gender: Drives: 3.2 MV6 (LPG), Westfield	Re: Sump plug troubles Reply #17 - 25. Sep 2007 at 19:36 I would say it's preferable to remove the sump if it's not too much work, as the plug is going to need some persuading to remove, by the sound of it, and it'll probably leave debris in the sump. Once you've done that you might as well get another from a scrap yard as opposed to repairing the old one, IMHO. Kevin
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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #18 - 25. Sep 2007 at 20:09

Kevin Wood wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 19:36:

I would say it's preferable to remove the sump if it's not too much work, as the plug is going to need some persuading to remove, by the sound of it, and it'll probably leave debris in the sump. Once you've done that you might as well get another from a scrap yard as opposed to repairing the old one, IMHO.

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Agree once its off its just as well to replace than to repair...but if you go down this road dont throw the old one away Wink

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #19 - 26. Sep 2007 at 18:26

Markie wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 20:09:

Kevin Wood wrote on 25. Sep 2007 at 19:36:

I would say it's preferable to remove the sump if it's not too much work, as the plug is going to need some persuading to remove, by the sound of it, and it'll probably leave debris in the sump. Once you've done that you might as well get another from a scrap yard as opposed to repairing the old one, IMHO.

Kevin

Agree once its off its just as well to replace than to repair...but if you go down this road dont throw the old one away Wink

Been to a few of my local scrappies and they only have early M plate omega's which seem to be a different style sump.

The current sump has bolts facing downwards above the centre cross member I'm guessing I need to unbolt from the engine mounts and lift the engine for access has anyone done this type of job before.

Will I need an engine hoist for this job

Cheers for all the help given so far its much appreciated Thumbs Up!

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #20 - 29. Sep 2007 at 16:02

Andy B wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:37:

Obviously I could be proved a liar but is there enough metal to helicoil? When my sump plug was ripped out of the lower sump pan, it had been threaded into an ally 'boss' which had been pressed into the steel pan. I would think that it's the ally 'boss' that is spinning in the steel pan rather than the plug spinning in the ally.
The lower sump pan was about £35 (IIRC) and would be far easier to replace than trying to helicoil after you remove the sump plug.
AIMHO. Wink

Where did you get your new sump pan from?

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #21 - 29. Sep 2007 at 17:57

nixoro wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 16:02:

Andy B wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:37:

Obviously I could be proved a liar but is there enough metal to helicoil? When my sump plug was ripped out of the lower sump pan, it had been threaded into an ally 'boss' which had been pressed into the steel pan. I would think that it's the ally 'boss' that is spinning in the steel pan rather than the plug spinning in the ally.
The lower sump pan was about £35 (IIRC) and would be far easier to replace than trying to helicoil after you remove the sump plug.
AIMHO. Wink

Where did you get your new sump pan from?

Vauxhall.

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #22 - 29. Sep 2007 at 19:25

Andy B wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 17:57:

nixoro wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 16:02:

Andy B wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:37:

Obviously I could be proved a liar but is there enough metal to helicoil? When my sump plug was ripped out of the lower sump pan, it had been threaded into an ally 'boss' which had been pressed into the steel pan. I would think that it's the ally 'boss' that is spinning in the steel pan rather than the plug spinning in the ally.
The lower sump pan was about £35 (IIRC) and would be far easier to replace than trying to helicoil after you remove the sump plug.
AIMHO. Wink

Where did you get your new sump pan from?

Vauxhall.

vx have quoted £130 + Vat for one autovaux have come up with £50 + Vat so shall more than likely go with autovaux.

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #23 - 29. Sep 2007 at 19:25

I had the same problem on my 2.5td elite i got a sump from a breakers but after it was washed & cleaned i found to have been damaged when they put the engine down they put it on the sump plug Cry

thus rendering it no bl--dy good to me Angry

so i ended up having the sump plug helicioled and now draw the oil out of the dipstick hole . It is very clean & effiecent way of chainging the oil Thumbs Up!

plus no more risk of stripping the sump Thumbs Up!

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #24 - 29. Sep 2007 at 19:28

craykent wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 19:25:

I had the same problem on my 2.5td elite i got a sump from a breakers but after it was washed & cleaned i found to have been damaged when they put the engine down they put it on the sump plug Cry

thus rendering it no bl--dy good to me Angry

so i ended up having the sump plug helicioled and now draw the oil out of the dipstick hole . It is very clean & effiecent way of chainging the oil Thumbs Up!

plus no more risk of stripping the sump Thumbs Up!

Never thought of that idea could be a temp idea if only to get the oil changed Thumbs Up!

Shall be contacting autovaux though this week missed them this morning

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #25 - 29. Sep 2007 at 19:41

craykent wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 19:25:

I had the same problem on my 2.5td elite i got a sump from a breakers but after it was washed & cleaned i found to have been damaged when they put the engine down they put it on the sump plug Cry

thus rendering it no bl--dy good to me Angry

so i ended up having the sump plug helicioled and now draw the oil out of the dipstick hole . It is very clean & effiecent way of chainging the oil Thumbs Up!

plus no more risk of stripping the sump Thumbs Up!

The diesel has 2 different threads - the finer one, in true BMW style, always seems to strip. Retapping and using larger bot is best solution imho

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #26 - 29. Sep 2007 at 19:44

nixoro wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 19:25:

Andy B wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 17:57:

nixoro wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 16:02:

Andy B wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:37:

Obviously I could be proved a liar but is there enough metal to helicoil? When my sump plug was ripped out of the lower sump pan, it had been threaded into an ally 'boss' which had been pressed into the steel pan. I would think that it's the ally 'boss' that is spinning in the steel pan rather than the plug spinning in the ally.
The lower sump pan was about £35 (IIRC) and would be far easier to replace than trying to helicoil after you remove the sump plug.
AIMHO. Wink

Where did you get your new sump pan from?

Vauxhall.

vx have quoted £130 + Vat for one autovaux have come up with £50 + Vat so shall more than likely go with autovaux.

We must be talking about different things. My sump is made up of 2 bits, a main ally lump attached to the block, with a smaller steel pan bolted to that. It was the smaller bit I replaced when it made contact with a manhole cover in the road ripping the plug out. Bolton Council 1 - 0 My Sump Sad

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #27 - 29. Sep 2007 at 19:48

Andy B wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 19:44:

nixoro wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 19:25:

Andy B wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 17:57:

nixoro wrote on 29. Sep 2007 at 16:02:

Andy B wrote on 23. Sep 2007 at 14:37:

Obviously I could be proved a liar but is there enough metal to helicoil? When my sump plug was ripped out of the lower sump pan, it had been threaded into an ally 'boss' which had been pressed into the steel pan. I would think that it's the ally 'boss' that is spinning in the steel pan rather than the plug spinning in the ally.
The lower sump pan was about £35 (IIRC) and would be far easier to replace than trying to helicoil after you remove the sump plug.
AIMHO. Wink

Where did you get your new sump pan from?

Vauxhall.

vx have quoted £130 + Vat for one autovaux have come up with £50 + Vat so shall more than likely go with autovaux.

We must be talking about different things. My sump is made up of 2 bits, a main ally lump attached to the block, with a smaller steel pan bolted to that. It was the smaller bit I replaced when it made contact with a manhole cover in the road ripping the plug out. Bolton Council 1 - 0 My Sump Sad

Earlier were 1 piece...

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Re: Sump plug troubles
Reply #29 - 30. Sep 2007 at 10:11

Don't know what the access is like on yours, but I helicoiled my diesel in-situ after stripping the sump plug thread (grease on the tap to catch any swarf).
With a helicoil in there the thread should now cope with almost any abuse (even changing oil every month....!).
I've never been keen on pumping oil out of sumps - it's at the bottom that any crap will be sitting & you'll never get it all out this way (even if the filter's supposed to catch it all, there often seems to be a little bit in there)

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