Markie wrote on 26. May 2009 at 22:18:

Markie wrote on 26. May 2009 at 22:18:

Absolutely right Mark.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 26. May 2009 at 22:23:



Not meant as a personnal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just suprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with 

Markie wrote on 26. May 2009 at 22:29:


we cant have selective democracy

...but we can have a democratic process based on maturity, imagination and the ability to encompass a broad church of opinion, Mark

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 26. May 2009 at 22:38:


PLEASE DO NOT ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT MS ZOOM

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Ditto --- it will be a favour for no-one Lizzie

All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......

Your "protest" vote will last 3 years   

You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.

And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.

"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" ..

Let's have a little commonsense here.

The BNP is a legitimate political party, with whose policies I largely disagree. Those who brand them Nazis miss the point that the real Nazis were in fact National Socialists. Still, as I've often said, politics is a circle: if you go far enough on one wing you'll meet the extreme of the other wing.

If the BNP do well (and, personally I hope they don't but UKIP do!), it is because the other mainstream parties have failed. Hearing mainstream politicians bleating on about the BNP is pretty appalling as they have driven many disaffected voters towards them, no matter how extreme their policies are to most people. We now live in an increasingly totalitarian society, where integration has meant the erosion of traditions and values, where political correctness is enforced by laws, where people are discouraged from showing any form of national pride (such as respecting our armed forces) and, finally, where 90% of our laws emanate from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Where is the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?

No, any successes by the BNP will not reflect the successful sale of its policies, but the dismal - truly dismal - failures of Labour in particular, but also Conservative and Lib Dem politicians, to understand the aspirations of the populace. For that they need to hang their heads in shame.

I do not support the BNP's policies in any way, but I support its right to exist as a political party. Any attempt to gag them is, of course, as odious as sections of their manifesto. Plus, of course, the more mainstream (and seemingly endemically untrustworthy) politicians rail against them, the more their support will grow.