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JamesV6CDX Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3202 Gloucestershire Gender: Drives: 2002 (02) 3.2 Retail MV6 in Star Silver with Leather	Thanks to TB 31. May 2009 at 00:05 Just a slightly belated thankyou for TB I dropped in un-announced the other evening, and he didn't hesitate to have a good look around the MV6 project to give me a second opinion - and of course some Tech2 work. As it happens - we were both wrong - neither of us thought HG was at the top of the likely list - but - it was
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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Thanks to TB Reply #1 - 31. May 2009 at 19:40 After you left, I started having doubts about our diagnoses, esp as it seemed we didn't lose much coolant when we took it for a blast... ...which reminds me, sort out those brakes pronto...
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TheBoy wrote on 31. May 2009 at 19:40:

After you left, I started having doubts about our diagnoses, esp as it seemed we didn't lose much coolant when we took it for a blast...

...which reminds me, sort out those brakes pronto...

They will be done before it's used on the road Thumbs Up!

What do you think - front disks and pads, and a full fluid change?

Daft as this sounds, brakes are not my forte - although I have the theory, I'm not 100% condfident with the fluid change... Embarrassed

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Reply #3 - 31. May 2009 at 23:03

JamesV6CDX wrote on 31. May 2009 at 22:23:

TheBoy wrote on 31. May 2009 at 19:40:

After you left, I started having doubts about our diagnoses, esp as it seemed we didn't lose much coolant when we took it for a blast...

...which reminds me, sort out those brakes pronto...

They will be done before it's used on the road Thumbs Up!

What do you think - front disks and pads, and a full fluid change?

Daft as this sounds, brakes are not my forte - although I have the theory, I'm not 100% condfident with the fluid change... Embarrassed

Get yourself an EEZI bleed and fit it to the reservoir cap, then bleed fluid out of each bleed nipple until clear fluid comes through. Don't let the reservoir run dry. All there is to it. Thumbs Up!

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Reply #4 - 31. May 2009 at 23:06

Kevin Wood wrote on 31. May 2009 at 23:03:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 31. May 2009 at 22:23:

TheBoy wrote on 31. May 2009 at 19:40:

After you left, I started having doubts about our diagnoses, esp as it seemed we didn't lose much coolant when we took it for a blast...

...which reminds me, sort out those brakes pronto...

They will be done before it's used on the road Thumbs Up!

What do you think - front disks and pads, and a full fluid change?

Daft as this sounds, brakes are not my forte - although I have the theory, I'm not 100% condfident with the fluid change... Embarrassed

Get yourself an EEZI bleed and fit it to the reservoir cap, then bleed fluid out of each bleed nipple until clear fluid comes through. Don't let the reservoir run dry. All there is to it. Thumbs Up!

Kevin

Cheers Kev Cool

Using that method, do I still need to follow the specific order for which calipers to bleed?

Should I also still compress the pistons to get any remaining thick stuff out?

Give me an engine any day - I run away from brakes, if it involves more than disks or pads Embarrassed

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hotel21 Administrator Offline Posts: 12766 Doghouse Gender: Drives: into lamposts	Re: Thanks to TB Reply #5 - 31. May 2009 at 23:06 What about excercising the ABS gubbins with T2? Seem MDTM and TB doing that with Mick Dundee's rebuild brake failure at York a few weeks ago??
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Reply #6 - 31. May 2009 at 23:07

hotel21 wrote on 31. May 2009 at 23:06:

What about excercising the ABS gubbins with T2? Seem MDTM and TB doing that with Mick Dundee's rebuild brake failure at York a few weeks ago??

Hallo Broocie

I seem to recall, that's only necessary if air becomes trapped (by bleeding in the wrong order?) but the Q also entered my head too - hence looking for clarification Thumbs Up!

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Reply #7 - 31. May 2009 at 23:11

JamesV6CDX wrote on 31. May 2009 at 23:07:

hotel21 wrote on 31. May 2009 at 23:06:

What about excercising the ABS gubbins with T2? Seem MDTM and TB doing that with Mick Dundee's rebuild brake failure at York a few weeks ago??

Hallo Broocie

I seem to recall, that's only necessary if air becomes trapped (by bleeding in the wrong order?) but the Q also entered my head too - hence looking for clarification Thumbs Up!

T'was certainly done with TB in drivers seat with T2, operating the gubbins and depressing footbrake in conjunction with MDTM bleeding fluid at the wheel.

Probably only because the system bled itself dry when the pads fell out, mind you.... Hope he got the spatter off the paintwork before the primer showed.... Cry

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Reply #8 - 31. May 2009 at 23:12

hotel21 wrote on 31. May 2009 at 23:11:

JamesV6CDX wrote on 31. May 2009 at 23:07:

hotel21 wrote on 31. May 2009 at 23:06:

What about excercising the ABS gubbins with T2? Seem MDTM and TB doing that with Mick Dundee's rebuild brake failure at York a few weeks ago??

Hallo Broocie

I seem to recall, that's only necessary if air becomes trapped (by bleeding in the wrong order?) but the Q also entered my head too - hence looking for clarification Thumbs Up!

T'was certainly done with TB in drivers seat with T2, operating the gubbins and depressing footbrake in conjunction with MDTM bleeding fluid at the wheel.

Probably only because the system bled itself dry when the pads fell out, mind you.... Hope he got the spatter off the paintwork before the primer showed.... Cry

Ahhhh yes - seem to recall that if it runs dry, T2 is needed to get airlock out of ABS components?

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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Thanks to TB Reply #9 - 01. Jun 2009 at 08:41 EEZIBleed is the easy way and only around £15. Yes, you still need to expell fluid from calipers. ABS pump only required as MikeDundee's reservoir emptied itself all down the side of his car
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JamesV6CDX Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3202 Gloucestershire Gender: Drives: 2002 (02) 3.2 Retail MV6 in Star Silver with Leather	Re: Thanks to TB Reply #10 - 01. Jun 2009 at 09:27 TheBoy wrote on 01. Jun 2009 at 08:41: EEZIBleed is the easy way and only around £15. Yes, you still need to expell fluid from calipers. Cheers TB I presume this is done just by pressing the pistons in the calipers fully home, before starting the bleed?
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Reply #11 - 01. Jun 2009 at 09:42

Bleeding of the ABS is only required if it's sucked air (hence the advice to keep an eye on the reservoir level).

It's a terrible sinking feeling when you're just finishing a fluid change and you hear a sound like a kid sucking the last of his milkshake from a straw, eminating from the master cylinder - apparently. Embarrassed

In reality there'll be a little old fluid left in the ABS modulator block after bleeding but it will be diluted with the new stuff next time you have a buttock-clencher and invoke the ABS.

When pushing the caliper pistons home, open the bleed nipple to allow the fluid out rather then pushing it back up into the system.

I always change the fluid when I'm doing pads, so I remove the old pads, open the bleed nipples and push back the pistons then fit new pads and bleed new fluid into the system.

It makes life easier if you can remove as much old fluid from the reservoir as possible beforehand and fill it with fresh. Just less fluid to pull through the system. Make sure you get the turkey baster back into the kitchen before Maria notices it's missing though. Shocked

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Kevin Wood Global Moderator Admin Team Offline Posts: 20377 Alton, Hampshire Gender: Drives: 3.2 MV6 (LPG), Westfield	Re: Thanks to TB Reply #12 - 01. Jun 2009 at 09:44 Oh, and I never bother bleeding brakes in a specific order. Makes little odds IME. Kevin
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Reply #13 - 01. Jun 2009 at 11:27

Kevin Wood wrote on 01. Jun 2009 at 09:42:

Bleeding of the ABS is only required if it's sucked air (hence the advice to keep an eye on the reservoir level).

It's a terrible sinking feeling when you're just finishing a fluid change and you hear a sound like a kid sucking the last of his milkshake from a straw, eminating from the master cylinder - apparently. Embarrassed

In reality there'll be a little old fluid left in the ABS modulator block after bleeding but it will be diluted with the new stuff next time you have a buttock-clencher and invoke the ABS.

When pushing the caliper pistons home, open the bleed nipple to allow the fluid out rather then pushing it back up into the system.

I always change the fluid when I'm doing pads, so I remove the old pads, open the bleed nipples and push back the pistons then fit new pads and bleed new fluid into the system.

It makes life easier if you can remove as much old fluid from the reservoir as possible beforehand and fill it with fresh. Just less fluid to pull through the system. Make sure you get the turkey baster back into the kitchen before Maria notices it's missing though. Shocked

Kevin

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Reply #14 - 01. Jun 2009 at 12:24

TheBoy wrote on 01. Jun 2009 at 11:27:

Kevin Wood wrote on 01. Jun 2009 at 09:42:

Bleeding of the ABS is only required if it's sucked air (hence the advice to keep an eye on the reservoir level).

It's a terrible sinking feeling when you're just finishing a fluid change and you hear a sound like a kid sucking the last of his milkshake from a straw, eminating from the master cylinder - apparently. Embarrassed

In reality there'll be a little old fluid left in the ABS modulator block after bleeding but it will be diluted with the new stuff next time you have a buttock-clencher and invoke the ABS.

When pushing the caliper pistons home, open the bleed nipple to allow the fluid out rather then pushing it back up into the system.

I always change the fluid when I'm doing pads, so I remove the old pads, open the bleed nipples and push back the pistons then fit new pads and bleed new fluid into the system.

It makes life easier if you can remove as much old fluid from the reservoir as possible beforehand and fill it with fresh. Just less fluid to pull through the system. Make sure you get the turkey baster back into the kitchen before Maria notices it's missing though. Shocked

Kevin

after clamping the hose Wink

Not essential as the easiest path for the fluid is via the open bleed nipple

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