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Varche Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3860 Andalucia, Spain Gender: Drives: 97 pre mini facelift 3 litre auto RHD Elite saloon and a 2000 Ford Ka !	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #15 - 04. Jun 2009 at 12:15 Tsar.
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Reply #16 - 04. Jun 2009 at 12:50

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That’s perhaps the natural result of the disillusionment evident in the voting public frustrated and angry with the chaos and incompetence which this administration has shown. Roll Eyes

What we can’t be sure about however, Kevin, is what sort of job of it their replacements would make. Undecided

There is a fundamental fault , a lack of understanding, a complete disconnect in most of our legislators with practical reality, now being faced by a lot of people throughout the country, as they struggle in the confused and convoluted environment that is modern Britain. Cheesy

Until there is a properly accountable system to which our administrators must adhere, there can be no real change. Until there are strong sanctions – real sanctions – for misbehaviour, it will be difficult to have any degree of confidence in the belief that the system of government, this country needs, is likely to recover its dignity, its vision and above all, its decency Thumbs Up!

Agreed. I'm not saying the system isn't broken. Our political cycle starts with an election process which doesn't really instil much accountability into MPs from the start, for a variety of reasons, and from then on they are largely serving nobody but themselves and their own careers until we end up, a decade down the line, with the situation we have now. An utterly unfit-for-purpose rabble and no viable opposition, but an electorate voting because "They can't be any worse".

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Reply #17 - 04. Jun 2009 at 13:07

Kevin Wood wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 12:50:

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That’s perhaps the natural result of the disillusionment evident in the voting public frustrated and angry with the chaos and incompetence which this administration has shown. Roll Eyes

What we can’t be sure about however, Kevin, is what sort of job of it their replacements would make. Undecided

There is a fundamental fault , a lack of understanding, a complete disconnect in most of our legislators with practical reality, now being faced by a lot of people throughout the country, as they struggle in the confused and convoluted environment that is modern Britain. Cheesy

Until there is a properly accountable system to which our administrators must adhere, there can be no real change. Until there are strong sanctions – real sanctions – for misbehaviour, it will be difficult to have any degree of confidence in the belief that the system of government, this country needs, is likely to recover its dignity, its vision and above all, its decency Thumbs Up!

Agreed. I'm not saying the system isn't broken. Our political cycle starts with an election process which doesn't really instil much accountability into MPs from the start, for a variety of reasons, and from then on they are largely serving nobody but themselves and their own careers until we end up, a decade down the line, with the situation we have now. An utterly unfit-for-purpose rabble and no viable opposition, but an electorate voting because "They can't be any worse".

Kevin

...... and that is very much the rub, Kevin Wink

How that cycle can be broken - I really don't know at the moment Undecided

but its interruption, at the very least, is urgently required Thumbs Up!

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Martin Imber Over Active Poster Offline LPG Omega V6 - Keyfobs Rebuilt Posts: 20110 Worcester Gender: Drives: 2001 Omega 2.6CD LPG & 3.0 cams	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #18 - 04. Jun 2009 at 13:19 Kevin Wood wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 11:50: Quote: chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!! Not enough for him. I fully expect him to slime himself into the Monarchy somehow and become King. Kevin Or Queen
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Zulu77 Ex Member	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #19 - 04. Jun 2009 at 13:22 Martin Imber wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 13:19: Kevin Wood wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 11:50: Quote: chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!! Not enough for him. I fully expect him to slime himself into the Monarchy somehow and become King. Kevin Or Queen priceless, Martin
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Re: Is Gordon Brown toast?
Reply #20 - 04. Jun 2009 at 14:20

The next Labour leader after the election will be either the chap on Question Time a couple of weeks ago, or Hillary Benn.

Both have been seen to be clean and both are young enough to get the kiddy vote Grin

Lib Dems NEED Charles Kennedy back.

As to Conservatives, they have realised that Ken Clark is worth having around as he was generally popular.

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Kevin Wood Global Moderator Admin Team Offline Posts: 20377 Alton, Hampshire Gender: Drives: 3.2 MV6 (LPG), Westfield	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #21 - 04. Jun 2009 at 14:25 Martin Imber wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 13:19: Kevin Wood wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 11:50: Quote: chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!! Not enough for him. I fully expect him to slime himself into the Monarchy somehow and become King. Kevin Or Queen He's already one of those. Kevin
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Reply #22 - 04. Jun 2009 at 15:56

Martin Imber wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 14:20:

The next Labour leader after the election will be either the chap on Question Time a couple of weeks ago, or Hillary Benn.

Both have been seen to be clean and both are young enough to get the kiddy vote Grin

Lib Dems NEED Charles Kennedy back.

As to Conservatives, they have realised that Ken Clark is worth having around as he was generally popular.

Lib Dems

Can their appeal be sufficiently sweet for the mainstream vote to divert from the big two however? Can Kennedy ever hope to establish his dependable credentials again? Undecided

Ken Clark

The unfortunate thing about Ken is he reveals, in all its bare-assed glory, the lingering conflict within the Tory party over Europe Roll Eyes

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............not that the conflict is without justifiable foundation I must add Thumbs Up!

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Lizzie Zoom Deleted Member Offline The Romantic Emotional Pink Lady Posts: 65 Ashford, Kent Gender: Drives: 2000 Omega 3.0 Elite Auto	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #23 - 04. Jun 2009 at 16:07 Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! Have you voted yet??
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omegarob Newbie Offline Posts: 40 essex Gender: Drives: saab 9-5t	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #24 - 04. Jun 2009 at 16:41 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 16:07: Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! Have you voted yet?? no. not going to..
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Zulu77 Ex Member	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #25 - 04. Jun 2009 at 16:57 Lizzie Zoom wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 16:07: Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! Have you voted yet?? These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......
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omegarob Newbie Offline Posts: 40 essex Gender: Drives: saab 9-5t	Re: Is Gordon Brown toast? Reply #26 - 04. Jun 2009 at 17:08 that man is a leader of all men. a peacemaker, who have we to vote in. thats why i dont bother..
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Re: Is Gordon Brown toast?
Reply #27 - 04. Jun 2009 at 17:11

Hm. No I haven't voted.

I am on the electoral register here. Got a letter some weeks ago confirming my details. Just been waiting for my card to turn up. It hasn't as of today. I cannot imagine having much success even if I knew where the voting station was, in turning up and saying "can I vote but haven't got my card". I would probably get fined or jailed.

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Re: Is Gordon Brown toast?
Reply #28 - 04. Jun 2009 at 17:36

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Lizzie Zoom wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 16:07:

Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! Cheesy

Have you voted yet??

These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......

A very thought provoking speech Zulu, that should remind us all that human life is short for the individual, but for our species has been a long and painful journey through experiences to test our resolve.

It has not, and never will, be an easy run, either physically, socially, politically or spiritually. We will continually be challenged by seemingly over-whelming odds, but what makes man is that ability to rise up, meet, and exceed the demands placed on us by the forces within the universe. The human species will only die when all endevour and spirit is forced out of us collectively by apathy or surrender to the perceived inevitable. We must fight on as past generations have, and as futures ones will as well.

Today we are politically challenged, so let us all work together to bring about change; change which is for the good of all, that only a majority in a democratic system can produce.

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Re: Is Gordon Brown toast?
Reply #29 - 04. Jun 2009 at 17:51

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 17:36:

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Lizzie Zoom wrote on 04. Jun 2009 at 16:07:

Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! Cheesy

Have you voted yet??

These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......

A very thought provoking speech Zulu, that should remind us all that human life is short for the individual, but for our species has been a long and painful journey through experiences to test our resolve.

It has not, and never will, be an easy run, either physically, socially, politically or spiritually. We will continually be challenged by seemingly over-whelming odds, but what makes man is that ability to rise up, meet, and exceed the demands placed on us by the forces within the universe. The human species will only die when all endevour and spirit is forced out of us collectively by apathy or surrender to the perceived inevitable. We must fight on as past generations have, and as futures ones will as well.

Today we are politically challenged, so let us all work together to bring about change; change which is for the good of all, that only a majority in a democratic system can produce.

Another thought provoking comment from every OOF's favourite political anaylist Thumbs Up!

Vote Lizzie for PM at least she's got experience of life and work unlike 1/2 of those idiots who pretend to be our elected legislators

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