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KillerWatt Ex Member	Re: Window v Linux Reply #15 - 26. Nov 2009 at 19:39 TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:35: Sadly, ignoring my job for a while, I do have to run Linux in anger at home.... ....to host OOF Why do you "have" to run Linux?
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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #16 - 26. Nov 2009 at 19:48

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TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:35:

Sadly, ignoring my job for a while, I do have to run Linux in anger at home....

....to host OOF Cry

Why do you "have" to run Linux?

Solaris disk performance when running as a VM isn't up to requirements (last time I tried), which leaves Windows or Linux with the hypervisor we're using. IIS and Perl, not a good combination (robustness or performance). Apache on Windows, too slow. So Linux by default, and just have to accept its poor resource management

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #17 - 26. Nov 2009 at 19:49

TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:31:

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 18:55:

I intended to move to Linux desktop some time ago but have not had the time to do it. Most of my programming runs on Windoze clients so have been constrained.

Similarly I have a Linux (Suse) server running which is destined to take over from a Netware one. Have been struggling today to mount a Netware volume on the Linux box - still not there!

Never touched Windoze Server except for bailing out misguided friends.

I have an old Suse on a laptop but that is lying on its side somewhere unloved.

The more I know about a system (and can modify it) the better. So it's Linux for me by preference.

Is it really old Netware (like V5), as i think it was from V6 that Novell changed from their custom kernel to SUSE.

I'm a bit rusty with NetWare now, not really supported in a professional capacity since 2000, but reckon you'll still need the NetWare client on the SUSE client.

NetWare, for all its superiority at the time, lost out to Windows once Microsoft got its act together with its DS. Novell rested on its laurels for too long imho, far too slow to make the jump to IP (proper IP, not the encapsulated bodges in pre v5) - corporations (Novell's bread and butter) started to dump it due to the costs on running ipx on routers and wan links.

I used to support the word's largest NDS tree, so had good links back to Novell. Seems they were too buearocratic and slow to act dynamically to the changing requirements, or fix flaws. I had an open fault with them about Netware 4's (halfarsed) IP stack leaking memory constantly. Never fixed. Solution, remove IP.

Rats! There go my chances of a fix! Wink

I believe I can mount using NFS - exporting on Netware and Mounting on Suse. Am fighting with NIS at present as they're not authenticating.

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #18 - 26. Nov 2009 at 19:58

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:49:

TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:31:

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 18:55:

I intended to move to Linux desktop some time ago but have not had the time to do it. Most of my programming runs on Windoze clients so have been constrained.

Similarly I have a Linux (Suse) server running which is destined to take over from a Netware one. Have been struggling today to mount a Netware volume on the Linux box - still not there!

Never touched Windoze Server except for bailing out misguided friends.

I have an old Suse on a laptop but that is lying on its side somewhere unloved.

The more I know about a system (and can modify it) the better. So it's Linux for me by preference.

Is it really old Netware (like V5), as i think it was from V6 that Novell changed from their custom kernel to SUSE.

I'm a bit rusty with NetWare now, not really supported in a professional capacity since 2000, but reckon you'll still need the NetWare client on the SUSE client.

NetWare, for all its superiority at the time, lost out to Windows once Microsoft got its act together with its DS. Novell rested on its laurels for too long imho, far too slow to make the jump to IP (proper IP, not the encapsulated bodges in pre v5) - corporations (Novell's bread and butter) started to dump it due to the costs on running ipx on routers and wan links.

I used to support the word's largest NDS tree, so had good links back to Novell. Seems they were too buearocratic and slow to act dynamically to the changing requirements, or fix flaws. I had an open fault with them about Netware 4's (halfarsed) IP stack leaking memory constantly. Never fixed. Solution, remove IP.

Rats! There go my chances of a fix! Wink

I believe I can mount using NFS - exporting on Netware and Mounting on Suse. Am fighting with NIS at present as they're not authenticating.

If doing like that, why are you running Netware rather just *nix with NFS shares?

Although I have to do it, not a huge fan of any *nix file sharing - its a bit old and crusty for that sort of thing. Security is a big problem with NFS (v4 helps a LOT, but still leaves issues)

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #19 - 26. Nov 2009 at 20:05

TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:58:

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:49:

TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:31:

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 18:55:

I intended to move to Linux desktop some time ago but have not had the time to do it. Most of my programming runs on Windoze clients so have been constrained.

Similarly I have a Linux (Suse) server running which is destined to take over from a Netware one. Have been struggling today to mount a Netware volume on the Linux box - still not there!

Never touched Windoze Server except for bailing out misguided friends.

I have an old Suse on a laptop but that is lying on its side somewhere unloved.

The more I know about a system (and can modify it) the better. So it's Linux for me by preference.

Is it really old Netware (like V5), as i think it was from V6 that Novell changed from their custom kernel to SUSE.

I'm a bit rusty with NetWare now, not really supported in a professional capacity since 2000, but reckon you'll still need the NetWare client on the SUSE client.

NetWare, for all its superiority at the time, lost out to Windows once Microsoft got its act together with its DS. Novell rested on its laurels for too long imho, far too slow to make the jump to IP (proper IP, not the encapsulated bodges in pre v5) - corporations (Novell's bread and butter) started to dump it due to the costs on running ipx on routers and wan links.

I used to support the word's largest NDS tree, so had good links back to Novell. Seems they were too buearocratic and slow to act dynamically to the changing requirements, or fix flaws. I had an open fault with them about Netware 4's (halfarsed) IP stack leaking memory constantly. Never fixed. Solution, remove IP.

Rats! There go my chances of a fix! Wink

I believe I can mount using NFS - exporting on Netware and Mounting on Suse. Am fighting with NIS at present as they're not authenticating.

If doing like that, why are you running Netware rather just *nix with NFS shares?

Although I have to do it, not a huge fan of any *nix file sharing - its a bit old and crusty for that sort of thing. Security is a big problem with NFS (v4 helps a LOT, but still leaves issues)

Sorry to OP hi-jacking to Netware...

The Netware is 'legacy' for want of a better description, and has 4 web servers, my groupwise mail server and quite a bit of other useful stuff that Linux won't do without throwing time an money at it.

I have a spam filter running on my XP w/s that I want to move to the Suse server (under wine) which needs to see the mail folders on the Netware machine for it to work.

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #20 - 26. Nov 2009 at 20:18

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 20:05:

Sorry to OP hi-jacking to Netware...

The Netware is 'legacy' for want of a better description, and has 4 web servers, my groupwise mail server and quite a bit of other useful stuff that Linux won't do without throwing time an money at it.

I have a spam filter running on my XP w/s that I want to move to the Suse server (under wine) which needs to see the mail folders on the Netware machine for it to work.

Is there not a Novell client for SUSE? Would that solve the problem? Apologies if I've misunderstood the issue.

Reckon if its a Netware system, you'll need to stick to firing all data through Netware, else you may end up at best with corrupted permissions, possibly worse. Can't see Novell making it easy to allow NFS access to its Netware controlled filesystems, as that would weaken Netware's (deserved) reputation for security.

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #21 - 26. Nov 2009 at 20:38

TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 20:18:

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 20:05:

Sorry to OP hi-jacking to Netware...

The Netware is 'legacy' for want of a better description, and has 4 web servers, my groupwise mail server and quite a bit of other useful stuff that Linux won't do without throwing time an money at it.

I have a spam filter running on my XP w/s that I want to move to the Suse server (under wine) which needs to see the mail folders on the Netware machine for it to work.

Is there not a Novell client for SUSE? Would that solve the problem? Apologies if I've misunderstood the issue.

Reckon if its a Netware system, you'll need to stick to firing all data through Netware, else you may end up at best with corrupted permissions, possibly worse. Can't see Novell making it easy to allow NFS access to its Netware controlled filesystems, as that would weaken Netware's (deserved) reputation for security.

There's been an NFS option on Netware since 3 at least as far as I can remember. I used it in 1990 to interface to Unix. They built it in on Small Business Server editions which is what I'm using.

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #22 - 26. Nov 2009 at 20:56

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 20:38:

TheBoy wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 20:18:

Chris_H wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 20:05:

Sorry to OP hi-jacking to Netware...

The Netware is 'legacy' for want of a better description, and has 4 web servers, my groupwise mail server and quite a bit of other useful stuff that Linux won't do without throwing time an money at it.

I have a spam filter running on my XP w/s that I want to move to the Suse server (under wine) which needs to see the mail folders on the Netware machine for it to work.

Is there not a Novell client for SUSE? Would that solve the problem? Apologies if I've misunderstood the issue.

Reckon if its a Netware system, you'll need to stick to firing all data through Netware, else you may end up at best with corrupted permissions, possibly worse. Can't see Novell making it easy to allow NFS access to its Netware controlled filesystems, as that would weaken Netware's (deserved) reputation for security.

There's been an NFS option on Netware since 3 at least as far as I can remember. I used it in 1990 to interface to Unix. They built it in on Small Business Server editions which is what I'm using.

Hmmm, you're almost tempting me into dusting off my old netware disks Grin

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #23 - 26. Nov 2009 at 21:19

Most people seem to have stuck with XP, I didn't like 95 much but 98 OSR2 was fine at the time.

I have used Windows 3.1 in a session on a Real/32 server.

Netware - my favourite NOS, last version I played with was 6 5.1 was quite good, but have a soft spot for 4.11

Embedded - well the BT Vision PVR runs Windows CE and the Humax HDR Linux.

I first saw Win CE on a Dreamcast

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #24 - 27. Nov 2009 at 17:25

Mantahatch wrote on 26. Nov 2009 at 19:01:

Well, I use windows, and I am pretty happy with it. Mostly I suppose because I don't have to pay for it. And no it is not illegal copies that I use either.

You don't have to pay for Linux it's free to everyone.
Thanks for all your views on each system.
The reason for asking was the fathering law uses a MAC and has never heard of Linux(but that's the French for you) and he wanted some genuine reviews on Linux before trying.Cheers Thumbs Up!

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #25 - 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31

for every day use, Mac OSX Cool

My Intel Mac mini is almost 4 years old, it still boots in 1/4 of the time of my brand new works duel core 2.0ghz XP laptop which has 3 times the ram.

And my mac has loads more applications installed, love the droplets, want to resize 10 photots for an OOF guide? drop all of them onto an icon, re-sizes them, no faffing around

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Reply #26 - 27. Nov 2009 at 20:13

tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

for every day use, Mac OSX Cool

Quite an old OS then.

tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

My Intel Mac mini is almost 4 years old, it still boots in 1/4 of the time of my brand new works duel core 2.0ghz XP laptop which has 3 times the ram.

You've already said you run what is an archaic OS, and you are comparing your desktop to a laptop (which simply can't be done IMO).

tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

And my mac has loads more applications installed,

As standard?

tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

love the droplets, want to resize 10 photots for an OOF guide? drop all of them onto an icon, re-sizes them, no faffing around

You can do the same shit in Windows, that's no big deal.

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Re: Window v Linux
Reply #27 - 27. Nov 2009 at 21:33

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tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

for every day use, Mac OSX Cool

Quite an old OS then.

And your point? I drive a 10 year old car? I use what works Wink

tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

My Intel Mac mini is almost 4 years old, it still boots in 1/4 of the time of my brand new works duel core 2.0ghz XP laptop which has 3 times the ram.

You've already said you run what is an archaic OS, and you are comparing your desktop to a laptop (which simply can't be done IMO).

Grin

- My Mac Mini is smaller than a laptop, by a fair bit.

tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

And my mac has loads more applications installed,

As standard?

No it has tones of other stuff installed above normal, video editing / video, web apps all kinds.

My works laptop is almost totally standard, everything is done via browser and RDP. It is STILL, a feking slug to use. I can boot my mac, search google, shut down, in the time it takes Windows to boot.

tunnie wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 17:31:

love the droplets, want to resize 10 photots for an OOF guide? drop all of them onto an icon, re-sizes them, no faffing around

You can do the same shit in Windows, that's no big deal.

Just an example, tons of other stuff i like, Spaces, widgets, its just so nice to use after Windows.

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