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Brick Tamland Intermediate Member Offline Good one! Posts: 441 Dublin Gender: Drives: '95 xj sport 4.0	Re: "Climategate" scandal update Reply #30 - 27. Nov 2009 at 23:35 Clarkson on Jonathon Ross ATM, the audiance and Ross laughing at the prospect that AGW might be wrong
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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #31 - 27. Nov 2009 at 23:57

Brick Tamland wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 23:35:

Clarkson on Jonathon Ross ATM, the audiance and Ross laughing at the prospect that AGW might be wrong Sad

I caught the tail end of it. Clarkson is savvy. Ross is not. The audience? Given the lack of mainstream media coverage, they'll believe anything. (They probably know more about X-Factor than CO2). Roll Eyes

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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #32 - 28. Nov 2009 at 10:32

So simple

We need some CO2 - however plants breath CO2.

So plant a lot of trees

Energy consumption is the real enemy - don't waste energy consumption trying to lower CO2 outputs, just make everything use as little energy as practically possible.

Build those nuclear power stations.

Pour vast amounts of money into fusion research.

Investigate wave power agin - no Severn barrage - will be an environmental disaster.

Encourage motorcycle usage.

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Reply #33 - 28. Nov 2009 at 11:09

Nickbat wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 23:57:

Brick Tamland wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 23:35:

Clarkson on Jonathon Ross ATM, the audiance and Ross laughing at the prospect that AGW might be wrong Sad

I caught the tail end of it. Clarkson is savvy. Ross is not. The audience? Given the lack of mainstream media coverage, they'll believe anything. (They probably know more about X-Factor than CO2). Roll Eyes

Ross and the BBC - need anything more be said?

Who can justify watching this tripe masquerading as entertainment?

What a waste of bloody space!

Bah!!

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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #34 - 28. Nov 2009 at 14:00

Nickbat wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 22:37:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 21:15:

Brick Tamland wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:57:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:54:

I watched a very informative BBC2 investigation into President Obama's aims on cutting US emissions and his attendance at the Copenhagen Conference. Watch it in full to get the full flavour of the situation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p69np/This_World_20092010_Can_Obama_Save...

Somehow I think the battle has only just started............!!!!!

Wink

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Can you give give me the gist of it Grin

Basically it explains how much of the American population are unconvinced by the global warming argument, with major industry (coal in particular) joining them in not agreeing with Obama's aims and wanting to carry on as before. It shows how Obama has one hell of a fight on to convince his fellow Americans that global warming is really a concern, let alone for them! Copenhagen will produce very little if the US fail to contribute as their President wants, and politically he looks like losing this one! Wink

The BBC at its worst. Towing the party line: good bloke Obama against naughty Big Coal. Angry

Sorry, but this is pure propaganda, IMHO. Sad

I'm surprised you rate it so much, Lizzie. Shocked

Did I say that Nick????!!! Roll Eyes

No, I just presented the situation as it is, from a neutral propective neither on one side or the other! Wink

This reaction is one reason why I don't often comment on this issue on the OOF as it seem you get castigated for expressing an opinion that is contary to some very entrenched beliefs on here as Banjax has found amongst others!! Roll Eyes

Lighten up, and lets listen to ALL sides of a debate! Wink

Nick, as you know I respect your views and personal detirmination on this subject, but you are in danger of over cooking this. I certainly am not one to say "yes" to everything that is said just to please certain people, as history has proved that can be a highly dangerous stance to take! Wink

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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #35 - 28. Nov 2009 at 14:17

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 14:00:

Nickbat wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 22:37:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 21:15:

Brick Tamland wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:57:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:54:

I watched a very informative BBC2 investigation into President Obama's aims on cutting US emissions and his attendance at the Copenhagen Conference. Watch it in full to get the full flavour of the situation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p69np/This_World_20092010_Can_Obama_Save...

Somehow I think the battle has only just started............!!!!!

Wink

Only availbale in the UK Undecided

Can you give give me the gist of it Grin

Basically it explains how much of the American population are unconvinced by the global warming argument, with major industry (coal in particular) joining them in not agreeing with Obama's aims and wanting to carry on as before. It shows how Obama has one hell of a fight on to convince his fellow Americans that global warming is really a concern, let alone for them! Copenhagen will produce very little if the US fail to contribute as their President wants, and politically he looks like losing this one! Wink

The BBC at its worst. Towing the party line: good bloke Obama against naughty Big Coal. Angry

Sorry, but this is pure propaganda, IMHO. Sad

I'm surprised you rate it so much, Lizzie. Shocked

Did I say that Nick????!!! Roll Eyes

No, I just presented the situation as it is, from a neutral propective neither on one side or the other! Wink

This reaction is one reason why I don't often comment on this issue on the OOF as it seem you get castigated for expressing an opinion that is contary to some very entrenched beliefs on here as Banjax has found amongst others!! Roll Eyes

Lighten up, and lets listen to ALL sides of a debate! Wink

Nick, as you know I respect your views and personal detirmination on this subject, but you are in danger of over cooking this. I certainly am not one to say "yes" to everything that is said just to please certain people, as history has proved that can be a highly dangerous stance to take! Wink

I've spent ages and ages researching both sides of the debate and I have come to the conclusion that AGW is a scam. Job done, as far as I'm concerned.

If I was of the view that 2 + 2 is indisputably 4, why should I carry on listening to those who continue to claim the answer is 5? Roll Eyes

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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #36 - 28. Nov 2009 at 14:59

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 14:00:

Did I say that Nick????!!! Roll Eyes

No, I just presented the situation as it is, from a neutral propective neither on one side or the other! Wink

This reaction is one reason why I don't often comment on this issue on the OOF as it seem you get castigated for expressing an opinion that is contary to some very entrenched beliefs on here as Banjax has found amongst others!! Roll Eyes

Lighten up, and lets listen to ALL sides of a debate! Wink

Nick, as you know I respect your views and personal detirmination on this subject, but you are in danger of over cooking this. I certainly am not one to say "yes" to everything that is said just to please certain people, as history has proved that can be a highly dangerous stance to take! Wink

lets listen to ALL sides of a debate

...trouble is Ms Z as far as AGW is concerned not many who support the notion were prepared to listen, with any degree of seriousness, to any views expressed here other than those agreeing with their own and bj was, to my great dismay, at the forefront of that vanguard.

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hercules Ex Member	Re: "Climategate" scandal update Reply #37 - 28. Nov 2009 at 19:16 what the hell is all this about
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Reply #38 - 28. Nov 2009 at 21:47

Never mind ignoring it, but is it possible that the bbc could have known about it for a while in a complete cover up Shocked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230943/Climate-change-scandal-BBC-exper...

I wonder what would have happened if the "news" media we are stuck with today had they encountered Woodward and Bernstein for their act of publishing lies about nice Mr. Nixon Roll Eyes

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Reply #39 - 28. Nov 2009 at 21:52

Brick Tamland wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 21:47:

Never mind ignoring it, but is it possible that the bbc could have known about it for a while in a complete cover up Shocked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230943/Climate-change-scandal-BBC-exper...

I wonder what would have happened if the "news" media we are stuck with today had they encountered Woodward and Bernstein for their act of publishing lies about nice Mr. Nixon Roll Eyes

Little Paul's BBC career is over I fear. He's my local weatherman and I shall miss him badly. Grin

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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #40 - 28. Nov 2009 at 23:35

Nickbat wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 14:17:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 14:00:

Nickbat wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 22:37:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 21:15:

Brick Tamland wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:57:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:54:

I watched a very informative BBC2 investigation into President Obama's aims on cutting US emissions and his attendance at the Copenhagen Conference. Watch it in full to get the full flavour of the situation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p69np/This_World_20092010_Can_Obama_Save...

Somehow I think the battle has only just started............!!!!!

Wink

Only availbale in the UK Undecided

Can you give give me the gist of it Grin

Basically it explains how much of the American population are unconvinced by the global warming argument, with major industry (coal in particular) joining them in not agreeing with Obama's aims and wanting to carry on as before. It shows how Obama has one hell of a fight on to convince his fellow Americans that global warming is really a concern, let alone for them! Copenhagen will produce very little if the US fail to contribute as their President wants, and politically he looks like losing this one! Wink

The BBC at its worst. Towing the party line: good bloke Obama against naughty Big Coal. Angry

Sorry, but this is pure propaganda, IMHO. Sad

I'm surprised you rate it so much, Lizzie. Shocked

Did I say that Nick????!!! Roll Eyes

No, I just presented the situation as it is, from a neutral propective neither on one side or the other! Wink

This reaction is one reason why I don't often comment on this issue on the OOF as it seem you get castigated for expressing an opinion that is contary to some very entrenched beliefs on here as Banjax has found amongst others!! Roll Eyes

Lighten up, and lets listen to ALL sides of a debate! Wink

Nick, as you know I respect your views and personal detirmination on this subject, but you are in danger of over cooking this. I certainly am not one to say "yes" to everything that is said just to please certain people, as history has proved that can be a highly dangerous stance to take! Wink

I've spent ages and ages researching both sides of the debate and I have come to the conclusion that AGW is a scam. Job done, as far as I'm concerned.

If I was of the view that 2 + 2 is indisputably 4, why should I carry on listening to those who continue to claim the answer is 5? Roll Eyes

I believe that my views on global warming are well documented on this forum......that it is real and unimagined.....and caused by modern man.
...........but I also freely admit .......that I could be wrong.....
.....Nickbat......... you seem 100% convinced that you are right......this concerns me ......as it can lead to apathy......a "we can do anything to the environment attitude"....because we know that the whole thing is a scam......and idiots like bannjaxx and Optimist are simply too thick to understand. Thumbs Up!

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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #41 - 28. Nov 2009 at 23:50

Opti wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 23:35:

Nickbat wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 14:17:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 14:00:

Nickbat wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 22:37:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 21:15:

Brick Tamland wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:57:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 27. Nov 2009 at 20:54:

I watched a very informative BBC2 investigation into President Obama's aims on cutting US emissions and his attendance at the Copenhagen Conference. Watch it in full to get the full flavour of the situation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p69np/This_World_20092010_Can_Obama_Save...

Somehow I think the battle has only just started............!!!!!

Wink

Only availbale in the UK Undecided

Can you give give me the gist of it Grin

Basically it explains how much of the American population are unconvinced by the global warming argument, with major industry (coal in particular) joining them in not agreeing with Obama's aims and wanting to carry on as before. It shows how Obama has one hell of a fight on to convince his fellow Americans that global warming is really a concern, let alone for them! Copenhagen will produce very little if the US fail to contribute as their President wants, and politically he looks like losing this one! Wink

The BBC at its worst. Towing the party line: good bloke Obama against naughty Big Coal. Angry

Sorry, but this is pure propaganda, IMHO. Sad

I'm surprised you rate it so much, Lizzie. Shocked

Did I say that Nick????!!! Roll Eyes

No, I just presented the situation as it is, from a neutral propective neither on one side or the other! Wink

This reaction is one reason why I don't often comment on this issue on the OOF as it seem you get castigated for expressing an opinion that is contary to some very entrenched beliefs on here as Banjax has found amongst others!! Roll Eyes

Lighten up, and lets listen to ALL sides of a debate! Wink

Nick, as you know I respect your views and personal detirmination on this subject, but you are in danger of over cooking this. I certainly am not one to say "yes" to everything that is said just to please certain people, as history has proved that can be a highly dangerous stance to take! Wink

I've spent ages and ages researching both sides of the debate and I have come to the conclusion that AGW is a scam. Job done, as far as I'm concerned.

If I was of the view that 2 + 2 is indisputably 4, why should I carry on listening to those who continue to claim the answer is 5? Roll Eyes

I believe that my views on global warming are well documented on this forum......that it is real and unimagined.....and caused by modern man.
...........but I also freely admit .......that I could be wrong.....
.....Nickbat......... you seem 100% convinced that you are right......this concerns me ......as it can lead to apathy......a "we can do anything to the environment attitude"....because we know that the whole thing is a scam......and idiots like bannjaxx and Optimist are simply too thick to understand. Thumbs Up!

I have NEVER EVER expressed such views. My concern is that, specifically, the theory of CO2-driven anthropogenic global warming is a scam.

I have said countless times that I am of the David Bellamy school of environmentalism. The trillions that have been spent on this farce could have been better directed at provided clean drinking water for the millions of kids that die unnecessarily each year from preventable water-borne diseases, and protecting and enhancing the planet's biosphere.

Sometimes you make me quite cross, for you attempt to tarnish me as an insensitive, money grabbing capitalist that cares not one hoot about the environment.

As usual, you are mistaken. Angry

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Re: "Climategate" scandal update
Reply #42 - 28. Nov 2009 at 23:56

Opti wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 23:35:

I believe that my views on global warming are well documented on this forum......that it is real and unimagined.....and caused by modern man.
...........but I also freely admit .......that I could be wrong.....
.....Nickbat......... you seem 100% convinced that you are right......this concerns me ......as it can lead to apathy......a "we can do anything to the environment attitude"....because we know that the whole thing is a scam......and idiots like bannjaxx and Optimist are simply too thick to understand. Thumbs Up!

....welcome words indeed Opti Thumbs Up!

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Reply #43 - 28. Nov 2009 at 23:59

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece

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Reply #44 - 29. Nov 2009 at 00:03

Nickbat wrote on 28. Nov 2009 at 23:59:

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece

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