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Reply #30 - 17. Dec 2009 at 17:44

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:35:

Entwood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:28:

Just been to the Insurance Approved repair centre for them to assess the work.........

Was a tad gobsmacked to be told the car will have to go to a specialist to have the LPG tank removed before the work can be done, then back for the tank to be re-fitted afterwards !!

The quoted reason is that the car cannot go into the "low-bake oven" with the tank fitted ... even if it was empty .. as it is an explosive risk !!!

Now is this some sort of money-making/job-creation scam ... or is it genuine ???

Has anyone ever heard of owt like this before ???

(posted the same question on an LPG forum as well... )

Roll Eyes

I'm afraid to say that seems very plausible as after all the LPG tank is a pressurised vessel, and you would never put one of those in a baking oven! Wink

I would agree .. but the rest of the car .. petrol tank, plastics, leather will all go in .. so the temperatures cannot be that high surely ???

I thought these "ovens" were no more than a controlled dry, WARM, atmosphere .. not Gas Mark 4 !!!!

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Reply #31 - 17. Dec 2009 at 17:48

Entwood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:44:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:35:

Entwood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:28:

Just been to the Insurance Approved repair centre for them to assess the work.........

Was a tad gobsmacked to be told the car will have to go to a specialist to have the LPG tank removed before the work can be done, then back for the tank to be re-fitted afterwards !!

The quoted reason is that the car cannot go into the "low-bake oven" with the tank fitted ... even if it was empty .. as it is an explosive risk !!!

Now is this some sort of money-making/job-creation scam ... or is it genuine ???

Has anyone ever heard of owt like this before ???

(posted the same question on an LPG forum as well... )

Roll Eyes

I'm afraid to say that seems very plausible as after all the LPG tank is a pressurised vessel, and you would never put one of those in a baking oven! Wink

I would agree .. but the rest of the car .. petrol tank, plastics, leather will all go in .. so the temperatures cannot be that high surely ???

I thought these "ovens" were no more than a controlled dry, WARM, atmosphere .. not Gas Mark 4 !!!!

Yep, you have a valid point there Entwood! Wink

But is there some "rule" that pressurised vessels cannot be put into those ovens........you H&S and all that? Roll Eyes

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Reply #32 - 17. Dec 2009 at 18:25

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:48:

Yep, you have a valid point there Entwood! Wink

But is there some "rule" that pressurised vessels cannot be put into those ovens........you H&S and all that? Roll Eyes

Pure H&S bull IMHO. Roll Eyes

If anything untoward happened to LPG tanks when they got a little warm would people put them in cars and then leave them in the sun?

Purely a case of "don't understand it, haven't risk assessed it, so won't touch it".

.. and based on the knuckle-draggedness of most LPGA "specialists" I would insist that, if the tank has to come out, it's done by the original fitter.

Kevin

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Omegadoha, Desert Member Omega Knight Offline Posts: 1357 Doha, Qatar Drives: 3.2 V6 2002	Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Reply #33 - 17. Dec 2009 at 18:51 Hope you can get it fixed. Over here you're not allowed to have any paint work done until you get a Police certificate.
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cem Omega King Offline Posts: 13920 Ankara/Turkey Gender: Drives: 97 2.5 V6 Manual CD- Clio Sport	Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Reply #34 - 17. Dec 2009 at 19:01 I have seen loads of LPG cars thatdont explode and stays under the burning sun whole day where the temp is above 46 Celcius in shadow
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jereboam Omega Knight Offline Posts: 1675 Suffolk Gender: Drives: BLACK 1999 3.0 Elite	Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Reply #35 - 17. Dec 2009 at 19:06 It's an Omega. It is a beautiful car, but it won't last forever and it already has very little resale value. Find a cheap garage and get a cheap job done. Somebody else's insurance may be paying, but if it's that much work, you just might get the "not an economic repair" treatment.
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Reply #36 - 17. Dec 2009 at 20:23

jereboam wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 19:06:

It's an Omega. It is a beautiful car, but it won't last forever and it already has very little resale value. Find a cheap garage and get a cheap job done.

Somebody else's insurance may be paying, but if it's that much work, you just might get the "not an economic repair" treatment.

That thought had crossed my mind .. but I'll wait and see what the insurers say first .. then start the fight ..

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Reply #37 - 17. Dec 2009 at 21:09

Kevin Wood wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 18:25:

Lizzie Zoom wrote on 17. Dec 2009 at 17:48:

Yep, you have a valid point there Entwood! Wink

But is there some "rule" that pressurised vessels cannot be put into those ovens........you H&S and all that? Roll Eyes

Pure H&S bull IMHO. Roll Eyes

If anything untoward happened to LPG tanks when they got a little warm would people put them in cars and then leave them in the sun?

Purely a case of "don't understand it, haven't risk assessed it, so won't touch it".

.. and based on the knuckle-draggedness of most LPGA "specialists" I would insist that, if the tank has to come out, it's done by the original fitter.

Kevin

I agree with Kevin....the tank wont explode if heated up.....even to quite a high temp....and i have been in some 'paint curing' ovens that have been set to quite a temp....coz its near the end of the day...and they wanna go home Roll Eyes

Firstly, the max fill of a tank is around 70%, to allow for expansion, secondly, if the tank was overfilled, even say to 100% (Ive had this on a vectraC i owned, you could fill it to 100%, shut off 'float' was sticking) all that should happen if the lpg expanded, is the pressure relief valve should open and vent the lpg gas.
Tho probably, if you knew nowt about lpg, you might want the tank removed as well Undecided

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Reply #38 - 17. Dec 2009 at 21:32

"Rosko" on the LPG forum (he's an installer BTW) has posted this link for me ..

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/INDG387.pdf

Small paragraph on page 2 covers it ..... seems their hands are tied by the H&S lawyers.. Sad

If this takes the repair into "uneconomical" zone there'll be one hell of a row. I know many bodyshops that do excellent repairs without the use of any sort of oven.

Idiots.

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Reply #39 - 18. Dec 2009 at 11:44

The possibility of the tank venting in the oven might be a concern, depending on how much ventilation there is, but that can be mitigated by having the tank empty. It might still contain "explosive" gas but with the tank empty there is no way you could get enough pressure for it to vent.

Sorry - that was an outburst of common sense. I should have carried out a risk assessment before typing that.

Bear in mind, if the repair is looking like it's going to be uneconomical, that if you've gone down the insurance route they will categorise the car as written off and that will stay on the car's history. You might need to jump through hoops to put it back on the road. Better to make some informal enquiries as to how much it's going to cost before making a claim IMHO.

I can't see why a small area of paint like that can't be cured with a halogen heater, TBH.

Kevin

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Kevin Wood Global Moderator Admin Team Offline Posts: 20377 Alton, Hampshire Gender: Drives: 3.2 MV6 (LPG), Westfield	Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Reply #40 - 18. Dec 2009 at 11:56 Alternatively... You could just drop the car off sans tank and they've got nothing to whinge about. Would only take half an hour to pull it out. Happy to lend a hand.. Kevin
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Reply #41 - 18. Dec 2009 at 11:58

Kevin Wood wrote on 18. Dec 2009 at 11:44:

The possibility of the tank venting in the oven might be a concern, depending on how much ventilation there is, but that can be mitigated by having the tank empty. It might still contain "explosive" gas but with the tank empty there is no way you could get enough pressure for it to vent.

Sorry - that was an outburst of common sense. I should have carried out a risk assessment before typing that.

Bear in mind, if the repair is looking like it's going to be uneconomical, that if you've gone down the insurance route they will categorise the car as written off and that will stay on the car's history. You might need to jump through hoops to put it back on the road. Better to make some informal enquiries as to how much it's going to cost before making a claim IMHO.

I can't see why a small area of paint like that can't be cured with a halogen heater, TBH.

Kevin

I have spoken directly to the insurers, and no decision will be made without my input. Including the repairs being done at a body shop that does not use "bake" procedures. It appears this sort of thing is not uncommon... they actually have a procedure in place.

Or so they say ....

We just have to wait and see now .. Sad

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Lazydocker Omega King Offline Victim of Pinky's Power Trip! Posts: 11336 Woodbridge, Suffolk Gender: Drives: 2003 3.2 Elite Estate LPG Converted, inspected and Certified	Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Reply #42 - 18. Dec 2009 at 17:04 Unfortunately they're correct... That said, there are plenty of places where it can be sprayed in a heated environment, but not an oven
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