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Re: front suspension arm
Reply #15 - 14. Jan 2010 at 20:53  
Just oredered a pair of these from gm today. £130 each with vauxhall employee discount.
They are only made in germany now & have oil filled bushes not rubber like the cheap ones.
I work in car plants and factories that make parts for car plants. Worked in SPL (special products lemforder) birmingham) for ABB robotics welding these omega wishbones about 8-9 years ago, wished I'd nicked some!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #16 - 14. Jan 2010 at 21:33  
Omega 37 wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 20:53:
Just oredered a pair of these from gm today. £130 each with vauxhall employee discount.
They are only made in germany now & have oil filled bushes not rubber like the cheap ones.
I work in car plants and factories that make parts for car plants. Worked in SPL (special products lemforder) birmingham) for ABB robotics welding these omega wishbones about 8-9 years ago, wished I'd nicked some!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wow, a substantial saving...lets hope they are Waitrose not Asda quality. Roll Eyes
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Reply #17 - 14. Jan 2010 at 21:45  
hotel21 wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 19:29:
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 16:57:
Andy B wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 00:05:
chrisgixer wrote on 13. Jan 2010 at 23:48:
couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price.  ......


This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks  Wink  Grin. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz  Wink. A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec.  Wink  Thumbs Up!
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.

How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?


Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.

Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.

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if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.

Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?
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Reply #18 - 14. Jan 2010 at 21:50  
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 21:45:
hotel21 wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 19:29:
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 16:57:
Andy B wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 00:05:
chrisgixer wrote on 13. Jan 2010 at 23:48:
couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price.  ......


This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks  Wink  Grin. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz  Wink. A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec.  Wink  Thumbs Up!
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.

How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?


Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.

Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.

Thumbs Up!  Thumbs Up!


if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.

Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?


You OK tonight Chris? Seem a bit baity Huh Huh
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Reply #19 - 14. Jan 2010 at 22:32  
Lazydocker wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 21:50:
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 21:45:
hotel21 wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 19:29:
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 16:57:
Andy B wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 00:05:
chrisgixer wrote on 13. Jan 2010 at 23:48:
couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price.  ......


This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks  Wink  Grin. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz  Wink. A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec.  Wink  Thumbs Up!
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.

How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?


Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.

Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.

Thumbs Up!  Thumbs Up!


if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.

Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?


You OK tonight Chris? Seem a bit baity Huh Huh

growing tired of the pedantic and moral high ground atitudes on here tbh.
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Re: front suspension arm
Reply #20 - 14. Jan 2010 at 22:50  
long gone are the days when car manufacturers used different suppliers for the same part. they use 1 supplier for a specific part, negotiate a price at the beginning of it's life then demand a cost reduction year on year for the life of the part on that vehicle. if, as been claimed, lemforder are OEM of the wishbones then they will be identical to GMs possibly without the logo as per their original contract.
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Reply #21 - 14. Jan 2010 at 22:56  
There is also the other end of the spectrum i.e. me, I can't afford to buy everything at Vx as I am on a budget to say the least.Yes I love my car but when it only cost me £350 with tax and test until April there are some things that will take a bit of a cut and that will be replacement parts.I know in the long run it will work out the same or cheaper to buy vx bits but it is a case of what I can afford at the time.As long as I can take advice on this forum to keep my state running to the best of my ability then I will keep doing what I am doing.I hope I haven't got everyone sucking their teeth with disgust but it is all I can afford to do.
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Reply #22 - 14. Jan 2010 at 23:06  
Hannah Judes Dad wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 22:56:
There is also the other end of the spectrum i.e. me, I can't afford to buy everything at Vx as I am on a budget to say the least.Yes I love my car but when it only cost me £350 with tax and test until April there are some things that will take a bit of a cut and that will be replacement parts.I know in the long run it will work out the same or cheaper to buy vx bits but it is a case of what I can afford at the time.As long as I can take advice on this forum to keep my state running to the best of my ability then I will keep doing what I am doing.I hope I haven't got everyone sucking their teeth with disgust but it is all I can afford to do.


No problems with that... The only thing that really does have to be genuine is the Crank Sensor Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!

Incidentally, there are several things which are cheaper genuine than pattern... Oil and filter come in at around £12, as long as you can buy 4 5L cans at once Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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Reply #23 - 14. Jan 2010 at 23:08  
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 22:32:
Lazydocker wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 21:50:
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 21:45:
hotel21 wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 19:29:
chrisgixer wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 16:57:
Andy B wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 00:05:
chrisgixer wrote on 13. Jan 2010 at 23:48:
couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price.  ......


This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks  Wink  Grin. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz  Wink. A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec.  Wink  Thumbs Up!
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.

How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?


Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.

Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.

Thumbs Up!  Thumbs Up!


if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.

Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?


You OK tonight Chris? Seem a bit baity Huh Huh

growing tired of the pedantic and moral high ground atitudes on here tbh.


Yep... I can understand that. But, to be fair, Andy made a valid point with regards to some items but not Wishbones... Lemforder ones have been proven to be reliable Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!

I must admit, I'm impressed with my cheap ones off ebay but wouldn't recommend them as a serious part Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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Reply #24 - 14. Jan 2010 at 23:13  
Thanks LD as long as I am not commiting a cardinal sin and making people turn there noses up at me and my state because as I said earlier I love my car it does more than I could ever imagine for the price and most of the work I can do myself with the excellent help offered on these humble pages.
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Reply #25 - 14. Jan 2010 at 23:30  
Hannah Judes Dad wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 23:13:
Thanks LD as long as I am not commiting a cardinal sin and making people turn there noses up at me and my state because as I said earlier I love my car it does more than I could ever imagine for the price and most of the work I can do myself with the excellent help offered on these humble pages.


You're not the only person maintaining the car on a tight budget Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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Reply #26 - 14. Jan 2010 at 23:50  
Hannah Judes Dad wrote on 14. Jan 2010 at 22:56:
There is also the other end of the spectrum i.e. me, I can't afford to buy everything at Vx as I am on a budget to say the least.Yes I love my car but when it only cost me £350 with tax and test until April there are some things that will take a bit of a cut and that will be replacement parts.I know in the long run it will work out the same or cheaper to buy vx bits but it is a case of what I can afford at the time.As long as I can take advice on this forum to keep my state running to the best of my ability then I will keep doing what I am doing.I hope I haven't got everyone sucking their teeth with disgust but it is all I can afford to do.


agree totally, we're all in that boat too i suspect. To me there are 3 sources for these parts;
vx, a total rip off
lemforder, the cheapest reliable source afaik.
50 sobs a pair jobs from ebay or the like. copies basickly.


cheapest are the copies, and heres the thing, these are a gamble at very best. Some simply fail early, 3 months or so, even when torqued correctly, others seem to last a year or so. Not bad some might say. I dont agree, esp if you paid to have them fitted. 2x parts 2x labour in a year is not cheap in any way. A false economy. Now, others may say their copy bones have lasted years, 3 even. Great, a cheaper source perhaps? Trouble is nobody can quote a makers name for these, and even if they could, can we be sure they are still sound as suggested, or have they also failed and gone unoticed as they often do?
So it a no brainer imo. And is the recommended route for as long as i've been a member as far as i'm concerned. Lemforder from a non dealer source is the cheapest reliable route. To suggest otherwise, esp. from long standing members on here is not helpfull imo...

Also remember each time a wishbone is changed it will need setting up correctly at the likes of wheels in motion who charge something like £80. If not set correctly to 1.°10mins camber there is every chance of destroying a pair of tyres.
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Reply #27 - 15. Jan 2010 at 11:38  
So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side 

http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail

Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the right side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.
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Reply #28 - 15. Jan 2010 at 12:20  
bigdods wrote on 15. Jan 2010 at 11:38:
So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side 

http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail

Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the right side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.


12 month warranty is encouraging, but still no makers name meaning they could be made of chocolate if they use the same supplier as buypartsbuy or firstline.

Tha warranty will not recover fitting, set up, and worn tyre costs. Up to you at the end of the day
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Reply #29 - 15. Jan 2010 at 12:39  
chrisgixer wrote on 15. Jan 2010 at 12:20:
bigdods wrote on 15. Jan 2010 at 11:38:
So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side 

http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail

Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the right side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.


12 month warranty is encouraging, but still no makers name meaning they could be made of chocolate if they use the same supplier as buypartsbuy or firstline.

Tha warranty will not recover fitting, set up, and worn tyre costs. Up to you at the end of the day


Im going to go with the Lemforder ones, I think £83.60 inc vat and shipping is a good price for a branded product.
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