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Re: Rear power socket time delay
Reply #15 - 01. Aug 2010 at 19:32

Think we are at cross purposes....

I cannot believe an estate boot light should stay on for more then the few seconds dimdown after locking?

As soon as you open it, the light comes on anyway, regardless of time since last used?

Plus, surely there is no reason for the glovebox light to stay active either
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Realised Ive totally missed your point (I said I was tired Grin

) and you mean something along the lines of If you walk away from the car with an open glovebox / boot, then the lights stay on for the 15min delay?
Then go off to preserve the battery.

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zirk Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3146 London / Essex Gender: Drives: 3.0 MV6 FL Man Est, 3.0 MV6 FL Auto Est, 2.5TD PF Man Est, RWD RS Sapphire Cosworth	Re: Rear power socket time delay Reply #16 - 01. Aug 2010 at 19:34 Ive yet to have timer delay on any of my MV6's, are you saying it should have one, just assumed weren't fitted to that model? Chris
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Re: Rear power socket time delay
Reply #17 - 01. Aug 2010 at 20:49

Jimbob wrote on 01. Aug 2010 at 19:32:

Think we are at cross purposes....

I cannot believe an estate boot light should stay on for more then the few seconds dimdown after locking?

As soon as you open it, the light comes on anyway, regardless of time since last used?

Plus, surely there is no reason for the glovebox light to stay active either
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Realised Ive totally missed your point (I said I was tired Grin

) and you mean something along the lines of If you walk away from the car with an open glovebox / boot, then the lights stay on for the 15min delay?
Then go off to preserve the battery.

Lol, got it one. Thumbs Up!

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Marks DTM Calib Administrator Offline Ex Member Posts: 25671 Northern Hemisphere Gender: Drives: Astra J, Mum Bus, Dexta Tractor, 108 DMU wip	Re: Rear power socket time delay Reply #18 - 01. Aug 2010 at 20:50 zirk wrote on 01. Aug 2010 at 19:34: Ive yet to have timer delay on any of my MV6's, are you saying it should have one, just assumed weren't fitted to that model? Chris 2001 onwards
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chrisgixer Omega King Offline Black ones are faster. Posts: 14570 Wokingham Gender: Drives: "Omega Black" 3.2 Elite. Thanks to Joshwyatt.	Re: Rear power socket time delay Reply #19 - 01. Aug 2010 at 22:52 ......only just found out about relays, near mind surgical procedures And hieroglyphics now...
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Re: Rear power socket time delay
Reply #20 - 02. Aug 2010 at 10:10

ISTR there is a group of 3 "relays" behind the fuse box up under the driver's side footwell. One of these is the servotronic control unit (6 pin device, IIRC). Another of these (an 8 pin device) is the timer itself (K153 in Mark's diagram). The socket itself is fed via K154 which is a 4 Pin relay and the lowest of the 3 IIRC.

So, K153 feeds all the interior lights, etc. and energises K154. K154 feeds the socket.

Could be either K153 or K154 faulty, depending on if the interior light circuits extinguish after the timeout or not. If the lights don't extinguish, it's likely that you have a drain on the battery since K154 will be permanently energised.

Easy to test the timer. Leave the boot open. Light will extinguish after 10 minutes or so. Press the pillar switch on the boot lid. Light should come on for another 10 minutes and then go out.

If you want a permanent socket supply, just remove K154 and bridge the contacts with a piece of wire with 2 spade connectors on.

Disclaimers about not flattening your battery, etc. Wink

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Jimbob Global Moderator Admin Team Offline Third nipple removal completed succesfuly Posts: 20462 Chester / Flintshire Gender: Drives: 52 3.2 MV6 Estate & 98 3.0 MV6 Manual Estate	Re: Rear power socket time delay Reply #21 - 02. Aug 2010 at 10:12 Ill do some tests later. Hmm, mine could be faulty and I want it sorted... Chris's could be fine and he wants it 'faulty' think we should get together and play swapsies
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Re: Rear power socket time delay
Reply #22 - 03. Aug 2010 at 11:52

Right, Investigations stared and concluded and the result is :

No Fault Found Grin

Several tests done,

1, Left glovebox open, locked and left.
On return, glovebox out, plugged in a phone charger, was active.

Hmmmmm

2, Left a charger with an LED in the rear socket, and glovebox open.
On return, and BEFORE opening the car, both off.

2.5 Open the car, both come back on, and stay on for another 10-15 mins.

SO, the confusion came from the fact the rear socket becomes active when opening a door, not using the ignition. So whenever you open a door and plug something in, it will be live for 10-15 mins. If all working correctly.
I wrongly thought the ignition was involved.

Cheers all for the advice. Thumbs Up!

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Re: Rear power socket time delay
Reply #23 - 03. Aug 2010 at 11:55

Further thought....the Handbook appears to be wrong!

Clearly states it is linked to the ignition (see below)

Can someone else do a similar test and confirm that it is the doors, not ignition control this circuit. Cheers Thumbs Up!

There is a n
additional accessory socket 3 in the centre
console below the rear air vents. The
sockets are op erational when the ignition is
switched on. If the engine is off, the battery
will be discharged.
The accessory soc ket 3 in the centre
console under the rear air vents shuts off
automatically after approx. 15 minutes to
prevent the battery from becoming
discharged.

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Kevin Wood Global Moderator Admin Team Offline Posts: 20377 Alton, Hampshire Gender: Drives: 3.2 MV6 (LPG), Westfield	Re: Rear power socket time delay Reply #24 - 03. Aug 2010 at 12:04 Yep, mine is activated by opening any of the doors, unlocking the car using the remote, turning the ignition key, etc. Kevin
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Jimbob Global Moderator Admin Team Offline Third nipple removal completed succesfuly Posts: 20462 Chester / Flintshire Gender: Drives: 52 3.2 MV6 Estate & 98 3.0 MV6 Manual Estate	Re: Rear power socket time delay Reply #25 - 03. Aug 2010 at 12:12 cool, sorted then. All down to the assumption that it must have been on permanently as it was on as soon as I opened a door. Strange behavior, but also possibley quite handy.
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chrisgixer Omega King Offline Black ones are faster. Posts: 14570 Wokingham Gender: Drives: "Omega Black" 3.2 Elite. Thanks to Joshwyatt.	Re: Rear power socket time delay Reply #26 - 03. Aug 2010 at 12:42 Woo, never noticed that. Also presumed ignition related, which does wake it up again if sat on the car after it pings off.
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Re: Rear power socket time delay
Reply #27 - 03. Aug 2010 at 12:42

Think you might find the electric seats are active for a few mins as you open the dors as well (plus active for a few mins after pulling the ign key out)

All thoughtfull touches once you understand them.

Was like my Carlton, look all the doors/deadlock you could unlock all the car from any lock.

Dead lock the car from the boot you could only unlock the doors using the door.

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