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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done Reply #15 - 24. Dec 2010 at 11:18 Worth checking earth straps (easily checked with a jump lead from battery -ve to engine)
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JamesV6CDX Omega Baron Offline Posts: 3202 Gloucestershire Gender: Drives: 2002 (02) 3.2 Retail MV6 in Star Silver with Leather	Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done Reply #16 - 24. Dec 2010 at 14:48 TheBoy wrote on 24. Dec 2010 at 11:18: Worth checking earth straps (easily checked with a jump lead from battery -ve to engine) Hi Jaime, thanks for this. I did the jump-lead trick last night, however I'll check the throttle movement when I can, in daylight. Cheers, James
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Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done
Reply #17 - 14. Jan 2011 at 14:17

Update : (Entwood on Janines machine

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Read the codes .. none showing on Engine, but 3 on transmission ... forgot to write them down .. Sad

Cleared all the codes, then tried to start it, very reluctant to start, turning over and attempting to fire, eventually caught on 3, quickly went to all 4. Engine has not been started since it broke down mid-december. No faults showing, the GS500 won't do live data on this one for some reason.. so a bit stumped.

Vehicle is SORNed so couldn't drive it .. but in moving small distances on the drive I found that passing through positions 1 & 2 on the auto selector ALL the lights on the selector unit flash randomly .. ok at all other positions .... makes me wonder if the selector needs a damned good clean ??.

Ran it for 30 minutes .. all seemed fine .. stopped and started 6 times without any problems.

Other problems, unrelated .... ABS ECU is FUBAR ... ABS light on /no speedo (apparently sometimes the speedo works and the light goes out ...

Coolant level sensor knacked .. low level warning but fluid level fine

A few other minor odds and sods but for what they paid its a bargain....

My recommendation is to leave it overnight to get cold again then try and start it .. if it starts OK having not been driven it sort of discounts cam- crank - sensors.

Then, when happy, and after cleaning the selector, try driving around the block a few times and see if the gearbox faults come back.

Any thoughts gratefully accepted.

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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done Reply #18 - 14. Jan 2011 at 14:24 Sound slike selector switch is fubar, but that wouldn't stop it starting (assuming it turned over (selector switch can stop starter engaging)). Any water in plug wells?
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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done Reply #19 - 14. Jan 2011 at 14:26 I guess if it can be got going, a trip to a real Tech2 to double check if there is any underlying issue that the Maxscan couldn't see. Trouble is, I guess its a long way to Alton or Brackley. If I'm honest, I was expecting to see a 0340 along with something else.
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Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done
Reply #20 - 14. Jan 2011 at 14:32

TheBoy wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 14:26:

I guess if it can be got going, a trip to a real Tech2 to double check if there is any underlying issue that the Maxscan couldn't see.

Trouble is, I guess its a long way to Alton or Brackley.

If I'm honest, I was expecting to see a 0340 along with something else.

It runs ok but is SORNed at the moment, and I think 99% of OOF expected an 0340 !!!

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Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done
Reply #21 - 14. Jan 2011 at 14:36

janine wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 14:32:

TheBoy wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 14:26:

I guess if it can be got going, a trip to a real Tech2 to double check if there is any underlying issue that the Maxscan couldn't see.

Trouble is, I guess its a long way to Alton or Brackley.

If I'm honest, I was expecting to see a 0340 along with something else.

It runs ok but is SORNed at the moment, and I think 99% of OOF expected an 0340 !!!

Does it start on the button now?

If so, that normally a sign that cam sensor sort of works OK

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Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done
Reply #22 - 14. Jan 2011 at 14:45

TheBoy wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 14:36:

janine wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 14:32:

TheBoy wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 14:26:

I guess if it can be got going, a trip to a real Tech2 to double check if there is any underlying issue that the Maxscan couldn't see.

Trouble is, I guess its a long way to Alton or Brackley.

If I'm honest, I was expecting to see a 0340 along with something else.

It runs ok but is SORNed at the moment, and I think 99% of OOF expected an 0340 !!!

Does it start on the button now?

If so, that normally a sign that cam sensor sort of works OK

started it 6-8 times without any problems ... I've advised to let it cool down and try tomorrow when cold ........ (I'll make sure they don't have my number !!!!!

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RobG Omega Lord Offline I might have a link, pic or part number for that Posts: 7968 Bristol Gender: Drives: 53 plate 2.2 CD auto	Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done Reply #23 - 14. Jan 2011 at 15:29 If the ABS ecu is fubared as Nigel suggests I`ve got one Janine from a 2.2 manual + a selector switch if a good clean doesn`t resolve the flashing lights issue. As for an 0340 code, in my experience with the 4-pots, if cam sensor is breaking down intermittently ECU doesn`t necessarily log it
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Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done
Reply #24 - 14. Jan 2011 at 16:33

RobG wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 15:29:

If the ABS ecu is fubared as Nigel suggests I`ve got one Janine from a 2.2 manual + a selector switch if a good clean doesn`t resolve the flashing lights issue. As for an 0340 code, in my experience with the 4-pots, if cam sensor is breaking down intermittently ECU doesn`t necessarily log it

Yes, it can also cause the gearbox ECU to protest, IME, although I agree it needs the selector switch sorting too.

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Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done
Reply #25 - 14. Jan 2011 at 17:57

RobG wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 15:29:

If the ABS ecu is fubared as Nigel suggests I`ve got one Janine from a 2.2 manual + a selector switch if a good clean doesn`t resolve the flashing lights issue. As for an 0340 code, in my experience with the 4-pots, if cam sensor is breaking down intermittently ECU doesn`t necessarily log it

Is the ABS ECU the same for a manual as auto ?? If so then a replacement ECU and a replacement selector is probably faster and cheaper than repairing the ECU and dismantling and trying to clean the existing selector. ..

I'm completely unsure if the transmission faults are a result of the mucky selector or a result of an inaccurate cam sensor starting to fail .... which is why I have suggested that they try starting the car every day while it can't be moved (SORN) ... if there are no further problems then I'm guessing the cam sensor is OK ....... Undecided

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Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done
Reply #26 - 14. Jan 2011 at 20:46

Entwood wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 17:57:

RobG wrote on 14. Jan 2011 at 15:29:

If the ABS ecu is fubared as Nigel suggests I`ve got one Janine from a 2.2 manual + a selector switch if a good clean doesn`t resolve the flashing lights issue. As for an 0340 code, in my experience with the 4-pots, if cam sensor is breaking down intermittently ECU doesn`t necessarily log it

Is the ABS ECU the same for a manual as auto ?? If so then a replacement ECU and a replacement selector is probably faster and cheaper than repairing the ECU and dismantling and trying to clean the existing selector. ..

I'm completely unsure if the transmission faults are a result of the mucky selector or a result of an inaccurate cam sensor starting to fail .... which is why I have suggested that they try starting the car every day while it can't be moved (SORN) ... if there are no further problems then I'm guessing the cam sensor is OK ....... Undecided

Will work OK but at some point would need a chat with TechII just to configure it to auto as opposed to existing manual. Also got an ABS from a 2.0 auto but unsure as to whether it`s compatible with a DBW Undecided

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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: Non Starting 2.2 - Janine - Initial Checks Done Reply #27 - 15. Jan 2011 at 10:15 If you fit an ABS ECU with an incorrect gearbox config, it will likely cause poor running The 2.2 ABS is different to V6 one, but not sure about post 1998 2.0 and 2.2. All pre 1998 ones are different from their post 1998 counterparts, as the system went 4 channel in 1998
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Reply #28 - 15. Jan 2011 at 16:28

Had a mesage from Janine ..

Seems they tried the car this morning with these results ..

"the car started first time second time started but no throttle but third, forth, fifth and sixth time no worries."

Would appear (?) that the cam- crank- sensors might not be an issue ... so TPS or Transmission ?? Still don't see why a transmission glitch would prevent starting though ...

Ideas .. if any ??

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