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richardirv Omega Knight Offline Posts: 1329 Leeds, West Yorkshire Gender: Drives: 2002 2.6 MV6	Re: Choosing new Brake Discs Reply #15 - 17. Jan 2011 at 12:59 I'll have ponder, cheers for the advice
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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #16 - 17. Jan 2011 at 13:45

TheBoy wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 12:18:

I find that trade club discs and trade club pads can get my MV6 across Milton Keynes at an anxious pace. By the 8th or 9th roundabout, if I've had to stop at every one, they are just starting to go off big time. But thats probably not far off the equivilent of trackday abuse to be honest - possibly worse, as every 1/4 - 1/2m, you're having to come from flat out to a standstill.

If you feel you need more, then maybe a better pad - EBC RedStuff could work well for this, but remember they don't work when cold...

This is the difference, you see. If I end up in somewhere like Milton Keynes I just lose the will to live after the 3rd roundabout and plod along until it's all over and I'm back on a twisty B road. Grin

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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #17 - 17. Jan 2011 at 14:54

If you are getting brake fade after one heavy braking episode I would be thinking more of changing my brake fluid properly in the first instance. Brake fluid absorbs water and when braking hard the water boils before the brake fluid. This creates 'steam' within the line and, being a gas, is compressible and the brake fade....... Thumbs Up!

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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #18 - 17. Jan 2011 at 16:08

hotel21 wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 14:54:

If you are getting brake fade after one heavy braking episode I would be thinking more of changing my brake fluid properly in the first instance. Brake fluid absorbs water and when braking hard the water boils before the brake fluid. This creates 'steam' within the line and, being a gas, is compressible and the brake fade....... Thumbs Up!

Yep, good point, and often overlooked. Thumbs Up!

Mine got a fluid change when the rears were done so that could at least partially explain the "fix".

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Del Boy Omega Lord Offline Posts: 9381 Ashford, Kent. Gender: Drives: Various things.	Re: Choosing new Brake Discs Reply #19 - 17. Jan 2011 at 16:47 My C220 CDi had vented discs (M3 does too but that's for obvious reasons), that was quick, but didn't set the world on fire. Although Mercedes e classes with solid discs I get a brake warning, saying they're too hot, never got that with my c class. I'd say an expensive set of vented discs would be the way to go personally.
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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #20 - 17. Jan 2011 at 17:05

Del Boy wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 16:47:

My C220 CDi had vented discs (M3 does too but that's for obvious reasons), that was quick, but didn't set the world on fire. Although Mercedes e classes with solid discs I get a brake warning, saying they're too hot, never got that with my c class. I'd say an expensive set of vented discs would be the way to go personally.

Why expensive, though? It's a chunk of cast iron. As long as it's not prone to warping, only making it bigger will make it any better, surely?

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Del Boy Omega Lord Offline Posts: 9381 Ashford, Kent. Gender: Drives: Various things.	Re: Choosing new Brake Discs Reply #21 - 17. Jan 2011 at 21:29 Bigger vented discs is what I meant (and what I though I put, gotta be an age thing ) no point if staying the same size unless they get massively hot.
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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #22 - 17. Jan 2011 at 21:40

Kevin Wood wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 17:05:

Del Boy wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 16:47:

My C220 CDi had vented discs (M3 does too but that's for obvious reasons), that was quick, but didn't set the world on fire. Although Mercedes e classes with solid discs I get a brake warning, saying they're too hot, never got that with my c class. I'd say an expensive set of vented discs would be the way to go personally.

Why expensive, though? It's a chunk of cast iron. As long as it's not prone to warping, only making it bigger will make it any better, surely?

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Stick a bmw badge on em, they will obviously be better then. Grin

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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #23 - 17. Jan 2011 at 21:56

TheBoy wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 12:18:

richardirv wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 10:44:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure VX ones will be much better than the ones I have at the moment but to be honest its something that I have always experienced even before these discs, and on other cars.

I don't tend to brake too late but its when braking from high speed to 0 or walking pace kills them and if I try to do that again within a minute or so, its quite scarey! I know not to do it with these brakes and tbh its not something I do on a regular basis but it would be nice to know I had sustained braking power without any fade when I need it. Thumbs Up!

I find that trade club discs and trade club pads can get my MV6 across Milton Keynes at an anxious pace. By the 8th or 9th roundabout, if I've had to stop at every one, they are just starting to go off big time. But thats probably not far off the equivilent of trackday abuse to be honest - possibly worse, as every 1/4 - 1/2m, you're having to come from flat out to a standstill.

If you feel you need more, then maybe a better pad - EBC RedStuff could work well for this, but remember they don't work when cold...

Our tractor's about to get a complete set of EBC 'Green stuff' pads very soon - with Vx discs.

Have had excellent results with genuine discs/green pads previously, though a tad on the expensive side.
Much better 'feel' to the pedal with superb retardation and much less dust, though they take a few days to fully 'bed in'.

"You gets what you pay for" etc springs to mind here.

Just my 'ten pence-worth' anyway .......... Grin

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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #24 - 17. Jan 2011 at 22:04

TheBoy wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 12:18:

richardirv wrote on 17. Jan 2011 at 10:44:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure VX ones will be much better than the ones I have at the moment but to be honest its something that I have always experienced even before these discs, and on other cars.

I don't tend to brake too late but its when braking from high speed to 0 or walking pace kills them and if I try to do that again within a minute or so, its quite scarey! I know not to do it with these brakes and tbh its not something I do on a regular basis but it would be nice to know I had sustained braking power without any fade when I need it. Thumbs Up!

I find that trade club discs and trade club pads can get my MV6 across Milton Keynes at an anxious pace. By the 8th or 9th roundabout, if I've had to stop at every one, they are just starting to go off big time. But thats probably not far off the equivilent of trackday abuse to be honest - possibly worse, as every 1/4 - 1/2m, you're having to come from flat out to a standstill.

If you feel you need more, then maybe a better pad - EBC RedStuff could work well for this, but remember they don't work when cold...

I run YellowStuff (yep, the 'Track' pads) on the MR2 - considering it's much lighter than the Omega I did wonder if I'd get them up to temperature on the road.. but actually they stop very nicely from cold (almost stock pedal feel & stopping power) and continue to stop regardless of what I throw at them.

Actually a really nice pad from EBC. Then again, it's about time they figured out how to make a decent pad Grin

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taxi al Senior Member Offline Posts: 772 sussex Gender: Drives: A rather rattly '54' v6 special estate.	Re: Choosing new Brake Discs Reply #25 - 18. Jan 2011 at 00:01 Are plod spec pads still available from vx? Different compound iirc. Better suited to ~~being absolutely caned~~ prolonged heavy braking.
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davethediver Omega Knight Offline Posts: 1323 Blackburn, Lancs. Gender: Drives: 2.2 CD Facelift (2001)	Re: Choosing new Brake Discs Reply #26 - 18. Jan 2011 at 00:05 Think these may be the jurid pads that chris is ~~bangs on~~ reccomends
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richardirv Omega Knight Offline Posts: 1329 Leeds, West Yorkshire Gender: Drives: 2002 2.6 MV6	Re: Choosing new Brake Discs Reply #27 - 18. Jan 2011 at 08:01 Thanks for all the input, I will probably get the fluid changed at the same time the discs are done, just to make sure.
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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #28 - 18. Jan 2011 at 17:06

I have black diamond drilled disc on my saloon mate. The first set warped after a few months. Which they did change for another set which after a couple of months the metal butterfly fell off one of the pads which ment it rattled around in the caliper (not great) and now the disc are due to be renewed so for the price they are i dont think i will buy them again.

Hope this helps your choice mate. Thumbs Up!

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Re: Choosing new Brake Discs
Reply #29 - 18. Jan 2011 at 17:45

gstylebaby wrote on 18. Jan 2011 at 17:06:

I have black diamond drilled disc on my saloon mate. The first set warped after a few months. Which they did change for another set which after a couple of months the metal butterfly fell off one of the pads which ment it rattled around in the caliper (not great) and now the disc are due to be renewed so for the price they are i dont think i will buy them again.

Hope this helps your choice mate. Thumbs Up!

Cheers for sharing your experiences, shame they don't sound too cracking for the money. Undecided

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