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Re: new airgun law
Reply #45 - 04. Feb 2011 at 15:25

Martin Imber wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 15:22:

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geoffr70 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 01:18:

My blood pressure isn't rising. I'm superfit! So shall I take that as 'no, you can't justify killing innocent animals'?

I take it you're a vegetarian then? Ever been to an abatoir?

Indeed, whats the difference between shooting a cow with a gun (would never see it coming)

Or electrocuting it in an abatoir, with them all lined up in a queue?

I could do with an air-gun actually, take out the pigeons on the roof opposite

You'd have issues though as you would be breaking the law on several counts Wink

I did some checking, I need the permission of the landlord in which the building/house the pigeons are.

There is a notice in my flat lobby saying not to feed them, as they are pests/rodents. I suspect it would be easy to get approval to shoot them

Pigeons don't have teeth Tunnie

But they are classed as pests Thumbs Up!

Used to do a lot of Pest Control work when my old man was in the business, included licensed shoots.

Was rather worrying one night though when the message somehow didn't get to the Police who dispatched a firearms unit Shocked

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Guffer Omega Lord Offline Music to watch girls by.... Posts: 6142 Hampshire Gender: Drives: R Reg 2.5V6 Omega ELITE & P reg Omega 2.5 V6 CDX	Re: new airgun law Reply #46 - 04. Feb 2011 at 17:08 Pigeons are legally categorised as vermin and thus fair game. They are also quite tasty roasted, well the big fat woodies are anyway not sure about city vermin
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cem Omega King Offline Posts: 13920 Ankara/Turkey Gender: Drives: 97 2.5 V6 Manual CD- Clio Sport	Re: new airgun law Reply #47 - 04. Feb 2011 at 17:39 leave the pigeons alone.. they have enough enemy and problems living in the city anyway..
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Re: new airgun law
Reply #48 - 04. Feb 2011 at 17:41

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leave the pigeons alone.. they have enough enemy and problems living in the city anyway.. Sad

They shouldn't even be in the city. They are lazy animals, only there because we are stinking filthy animals who deliberately or accidentally give them more than enough food to eat rather than be in nature where they should be Thumbs Up!

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Re: new airgun law
Reply #49 - 04. Feb 2011 at 18:31

Guffer wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 17:41:

cem wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 17:39:

leave the pigeons alone.. they have enough enemy and problems living in the city anyway.. Sad

They shouldn't even be in the city. They are lazy animals, only there because we are stinking filthy animals who deliberately or accidentally give them more than enough food to eat rather than be in nature where they should be Thumbs Up!

no..

they are half domestic animals.. they are used for communication for ages.. so they get used to live with humans for a long time.. now you cant simply turn your back.. also they they are trained here for some contests and many people like them.. and I'm glad not everyone is in your idea, because once we start to hunt and eat them you cant find even one Sad

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Re: new airgun law
Reply #50 - 04. Feb 2011 at 19:48

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They are fire arms. I have seen the damage so called pests can do, and yes I bloody would question their use as pest control thanks very much. Like I said it's their planet aswell. We arrogant humans seem to think it's acceptable to kill animals for our own convenience.

Have I been shooting? Are you having a laugh? I've fired more guns than I care to remember. I can strip them blindfolded and re-assemble them after cleaning and oiling them. I've shot and been shot at, and not for retarded blood thirsty 'sport' reasons either, thinly veiled as pest control or not.

Look, I can do a smiley face aswell Thumbs Up!

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Incidentally, when pests try and destroy all my crops, I don't bloody shoot them. So to that end, how do you justify shooting innocent animals who are trying to get food for themselves and their young?

Aye, I've done my fair share of field-stripping too!

Can I ask, if you don't mind, how you deal with pest contol on your farm?

And what's field stripping?
I haven't got a farm.

I've answered your question, now you answer mine.

If, as your previous post suggested, that you'd done time in the Services, then you'd know what "field-stripping" is Wink

I you haven't, then apologies for the assumption on my part.

Field-stripping is taking down a rifle (or pistol for that matter), and cleaning/servicing/oiling it before re-assembling it.

What would make you think I have done time in the 'services'? If by 'services' you mean 'forces', yes i have been in the forces.

When you mention 'field stripping', after having just talked ahout crops in a field, one would think you're using the term 'field stripping' in terms of a field with crops. If by 'field stripping', you mean the correct term of 'battle clean', then yes i kow exactly what that is.

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Re: new airgun law
Reply #51 - 04. Feb 2011 at 19:52

Broomies Mate wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 01:19:

geoffr70 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 01:18:

My blood pressure isn't rising. I'm superfit! So shall I take that as 'no, you can't justify killing innocent animals'?

As you wish!

edit: You would claim a life for killing a life. So, is it eye for eye in your eyes? I'm so glad I wasn't trained in your camp, sir.

(I called you sir as I guess you are older than me 1970 being your birth date?)

Anyway, I'm to bed. I have work in the morning. Sweet dreams.

Alot of assumptions there, wrong though

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Re: new airgun law
Reply #52 - 04. Feb 2011 at 20:02

Guffer wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 05:55:

geoffr70 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 01:18:

My blood pressure isn't rising. I'm superfit! So shall I take that as 'no, you can't justify killing innocent animals'?

I take it you're a vegetarian then? Ever been to an abatoir?

I shoot animals, it's a more humane death than you will find any meat on our supermarket shelves has been through. I also eat what I shoot because I have practically and unintentionally feeding what I shoot (they eat my home grown veg)

Eating what I shoot is better for the environment, free (less the cost of the pellet) and legal. This law is just enforcing what air gun (not firearms) owners should be doing anyway and is good news.

The OP is right, education is the key to firearms control. He came in here giving a heads-up on a new law which many havent heard about and you pile in to him about using firearms? I for one am glad of the OP's contribution.

Oh, and we dont call it field-stripping in the forces. We refer to it as stripping a weapon. Thumbs Up!

Yes i am a vegetarian. Whether or not I've been to an abatoir is irrelevant, but yes I have.

Just because shooting animals is, as you say, more 'humane' than another form of death, does that still make it right? Is poisoning someone more 'humane' than beating them to death? If it is does that make it ok? Your justification seems flawed.

You say about it being within the law. Laws are made by man. There are many things you can do that are wrong that are not against the law. So this is irrelevant.

Why, just because we are more intelligent (some of us), and have more sophisticated methods of communication than animals, do some people think it's OK to treat animals badly? Imagine you're going shopping one day for food for your family, someone shoots you, your half dead, then they rip your guts out and throw them on the ground, you're definitely dead now.

You best tell Damon about the correct terminology.

Can you explain what you mean about piling into him? Whatever meaning you give to this, I think you are wrong. We have had a reasoned debate, with each putting their point across, so no I haven't piled into him.

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Re: new airgun law
Reply #53 - 04. Feb 2011 at 20:12

geoffr70 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 20:02:

Guffer wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 05:55:

geoffr70 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 01:18:

My blood pressure isn't rising. I'm superfit! So shall I take that as 'no, you can't justify killing innocent animals'?

I take it you're a vegetarian then? Ever been to an abatoir?

I shoot animals, it's a more humane death than you will find any meat on our supermarket shelves has been through. I also eat what I shoot because I have practically and unintentionally feeding what I shoot (they eat my home grown veg)

Eating what I shoot is better for the environment, free (less the cost of the pellet) and legal. This law is just enforcing what air gun (not firearms) owners should be doing anyway and is good news.

The OP is right, education is the key to firearms control. He came in here giving a heads-up on a new law which many havent heard about and you pile in to him about using firearms? I for one am glad of the OP's contribution.

Oh, and we dont call it field-stripping in the forces. We refer to it as stripping a weapon. Thumbs Up!

Yes i am a vegetarian. Whether or not I've been to an abatoir is irrelevant, but yes I have.

Just because shooting animals is, as you say, more 'humane' than another form of death, does that still make it right? Is poisoning someone more 'humane' than beating them to death? If it is does that make it ok? Your justification seems flawed.

You say about it being within the law. Laws are made by man. There are many things you can do that are wrong that are not against the law. So this is irrelevant.

Why, just because we are more intelligent (some of us), and have more sophisticated methods of communication than animals, do some people think it's OK to treat animals badly? Imagine you're going shopping one day for food for your family, someone shoots you, your half dead, then they rip your guts out and throw them on the ground, you're definitely dead now.

You best tell Damon about the correct terminology.

Can you explain what you mean about piling into him? Whatever meaning you give to this, I think you are wrong. We have had a reasoned debate, with each putting their point across, so no I haven't piled into him.

I do admire your stance on the animal killing thing, there are far too many retards who think it it is fun to shoot small furry /feathered things just for the hell of it Thumbs Up!

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damon80 Senior Member Offline Posts: 704 Wigan Drives: 2004 3.2V6 Manual	Re: new airgun law Reply #54 - 04. Feb 2011 at 20:13 I think your comment on Page 2 of "I say kill all the arrogant arseholes who shoot animals" could be construed as "piling in". Water off a duck's back though. You've got your beliefs (which you seem to want to thrust onto others for some reason?), and I've got mine. So we'll obviously have to agree to disagree on this one
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Reply #55 - 04. Feb 2011 at 23:16

Well. Look how many experts we have here regading fieldcraft & country life. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i have no military experience of real firearms or said combat. I admire the bottle of those of you who have but could'nt comment. I do however have a 22 Webley Xocet carbine barrel rifle with BSA sights that can easily drop a bunny from 60 yards & is legal pressure. I only use super H point pellets. I only shoot on land with a friend who has shooting rights on said land. Otherwise it stays cleaned & in it's case, it's not a toy. I eat most of what i shoot. Is that any worse than a fisherman taking his dinner home?
I've never posted my shooting in over 4 years because it was bound to offend some bleeding heart or other & i get into enough rows on here as it is. I shoot with gamekeepers. If we did'nt foxes would kill more than we do.

Somebody killed the roast dinner many of you will enjoy on Sunday, bacon sarnies, stews, sheppies pie, spagbol etc. If you are veggie then fair go that is your choice but by evolution we are hunters & carnivores, top of the food chain. That's just how it is, get over it. Roll Eyes

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Re: new airgun law
Reply #56 - 04. Feb 2011 at 23:36

Amigo MX5 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 23:16:

Well. Look how many experts we have here regading fieldcraft & country life. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i have no military experience of real firearms or said combat. I admire the bottle of those of you who have but could'nt comment. I do however have a 22 Webley Xocet carbine barrel rifle with BSA sights that can easily drop a bunny from 60 yards & is legal pressure. I only use super H point pellets. I only shoot on land with a friend who has shooting rights on said land. Otherwise it stays cleaned & in it's case, it's not a toy. I eat most of what i shoot. Is that any worse than a fisherman taking his dinner home?
I've never posted my shooting in over 4 years because it was bound to offend some bleeding heart or other & i get into enough rows on here as it is. I shoot with gamekeepers. If we did'nt foxes would kill more than we do.

Somebody killed the roast dinner many of you will enjoy on Sunday, bacon sarnies, stews, sheppies pie, spagbol etc. If you are veggie then fair go that is your choice but by evolution we are hunters & carnivores, top of the food chain. That's just how it is, get over it. Roll Eyes

Amigo, I know that we mankind have this hunting habits in our genes from ancient times.. But in 21 century there are more than 6 billion hungry people around.. if they all got one gun/rifle and try to hunt what will happen.. Grin

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Reply #57 - 04. Feb 2011 at 23:44

Amigo MX5 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 23:16:

Well. Look how many experts we have here regading fieldcraft & country life. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i have no military experience of real firearms or said combat. I admire the bottle of those of you who have but could'nt comment. I do however have a 22 Webley Xocet carbine barrel rifle with BSA sights that can easily drop a bunny from 60 yards & is legal pressure. I only use super H point pellets. I only shoot on land with a friend who has shooting rights on said land. Otherwise it stays cleaned & in it's case, it's not a toy. I eat most of what i shoot. Is that any worse than a fisherman taking his dinner home?
I've never posted my shooting in over 4 years because it was bound to offend some bleeding heart or other & i get into enough rows on here as it is. I shoot with gamekeepers. If we did'nt foxes would kill more than we do.

Somebody killed the roast dinner many of you will enjoy on Sunday, bacon sarnies, stews, sheppies pie, spagbol etc. If you are veggie then fair go that is your choice but by evolution we are hunters & carnivores, top of the food chain. That's just how it is, get over it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #58 - 04. Feb 2011 at 23:45

cem wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 23:36:

Amigo MX5 wrote on 04. Feb 2011 at 23:16:

Well. Look how many experts we have here regading fieldcraft & country life. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i have no military experience of real firearms or said combat. I admire the bottle of those of you who have but could'nt comment. I do however have a 22 Webley Xocet carbine barrel rifle with BSA sights that can easily drop a bunny from 60 yards & is legal pressure. I only use super H point pellets. I only shoot on land with a friend who has shooting rights on said land. Otherwise it stays cleaned & in it's case, it's not a toy. I eat most of what i shoot. Is that any worse than a fisherman taking his dinner home?
I've never posted my shooting in over 4 years because it was bound to offend some bleeding heart or other & i get into enough rows on here as it is. I shoot with gamekeepers. If we did'nt foxes would kill more than we do.

Somebody killed the roast dinner many of you will enjoy on Sunday, bacon sarnies, stews, sheppies pie, spagbol etc. If you are veggie then fair go that is your choice but by evolution we are hunters & carnivores, top of the food chain. That's just how it is, get over it. Roll Eyes

Amigo, I know that we mankind have this hunting habits in our genes from ancient times.. But in 21 century there are more than 6 billion hungry people around.. if they all got one gun/rifle and try to hunt what will happen.. Grin

People would be able to feed their families Wink

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Re: new airgun law
Reply #59 - 04. Feb 2011 at 23:51

i'm gonna ask two really daft questions , basically cos its what i like to do lol

question 1, if i keep an air rifle locked in my cabinet downstairs , and an air pistol repeater upstairs in a lockbox say , in my wardrobe . if a burglar breaks in can i shoot the git and claim i was taking reasonable precautions to prevent a firearm etc failing into the wrong hands , i mean its the law afterall .

2nd , this is for geoffr70 , i can't help wondering if you live in a house on a housing estate and drive on a road and shop at a supermarket or local grocers etc ??? cos in my view mate unless you live in a bleedin prehistoric forest in a tent made from flax and coted in moss and eat only forest vegetables then your a hypocryte , do you have any idea how many animals were killed just to clear the land you live on ? or how many pests are killed just so your veggies dont get munched before they reach you ? how many ickle wickle badgers and foxes and bunny wabbits got squished and how many birds flattened by the bulldozers to build the roads you drive on ?

i know , your gonna tell me you only eat what you grow and you cuddle the slugs not kill em , i cant win an argument with you , i just dont have your conviction , find it bloody weird you were in the forces though , whats the deal ? its ok to kill humans but not animals , the words 'take your head for a wobble' spring to mind .

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