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Our security of electricity supply?
31. Mar 2011 at 22:20

Just interested what people's thoughts are with regards to our electricity industry?

http://www.wwf.org.uk/news_feed.cfm?4795/Electric-car-key-to-carbon-cuts

How are we going to travel less?

Where lis the electricity going to be generated to charge all of these cars to keep them 'green'?

What are peoples thoughts regarding the UK nuclear industry?

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freecall666 Senior Member Offline fun for all, get with the program Posts: 656 looking over your shoulder Gender: Drives: 2.0I polar sea blue	Re: Our security of electricity supply? Reply #1 - 31. Mar 2011 at 22:29 there is no such thing as green energy.....
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Re: Our security of electricity supply?
Reply #2 - 31. Mar 2011 at 22:41

miked wrote on 31. Mar 2011 at 22:20:

Just interested what people's thoughts are with regards to our electricity industry?

http://www.wwf.org.uk/news_feed.cfm?4795/Electric-car-key-to-carbon-cuts

How are we going to travel less?

Where lis the electricity going to be generated to charge all of these cars to keep them 'green'?

What are peoples thoughts regarding the UK nuclear industry?

Mike, don't get me started on the WWF. I truly cannot think of a more odious outfit. Angry

We need nuclear, coal, oil and gas. Not windmills, solar panels or any of the other wacky renewables. Wink

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miked Intermediate Member Offline Posts: 260 North Yorkshire Gender: Drives: E320 and VW Golf	Re: Our security of electricity supply? Reply #3 - 31. Mar 2011 at 22:50 really very worrying that there is such a lack of understanding amongst such groups
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Desperate Den Omega King Offline Posts: 11881	Re: Our security of electricity supply? Reply #4 - 31. Mar 2011 at 23:07 Oh I don't know, the WWF has this very appealing vision of just how we can save the planet - it all seems so logically easy. After all, if the WWF good enough for the Duke of Edinburgh it's good enough for me. I'm all for it.
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Albs Omega King Offline The upgrades are ongoing. Posts: 15083 North Essex Gender: Drives: 2000 2.5CD with LPG/Honda cbr600 FX	Re: Our security of electricity supply? Reply #5 - 31. Mar 2011 at 23:10 Let me know if you need a bit of help extracting your tongue from your cheek there Den.
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Re: Our security of electricity supply?
Reply #6 - 31. Mar 2011 at 23:20

Desperate Den wrote on 31. Mar 2011 at 23:07:

Oh I don't know, the WWF has this very appealing vision of just how we can save the planet - it all seems so logically easy.

After all, if the WWF good enough for the Duke of Edinburgh it's good enough for me.

I'm all for it. Thumbs Up!

But the Duke is only interested in preserving wildlife to ensure he has an adequate supply to hunt. Cheesy

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Reply #7 - 31. Mar 2011 at 23:45

CaptainZok wrote on 31. Mar 2011 at 23:20:

Desperate Den wrote on 31. Mar 2011 at 23:07:

Oh I don't know, the WWF has this very appealing vision of just how we can save the planet - it all seems so logically easy.

After all, if the WWF good enough for the Duke of Edinburgh it's good enough for me.

I'm all for it. Thumbs Up!

But the Duke is only interested in preserving wildlife to ensure he has an adequate supply to hunt. Cheesy

Indeed Capt., the old boy has the head screwed on - without doubt. Thumbs Up!

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Reply #8 - 01. Apr 2011 at 01:42

Never read such a load of bangle berries in my life. Angry

We will ignore those who actually do understand the engineering behind our electricity supply at our peril. Sad

I couldn't help but notice that idiot Huhne wound his neck in a little on his first day in office. I suspect someone had marked "the day the lights go out" on the calendar above his desk. I think, perhaps, he needs another nudge, because his silly little windmills aren't going to cut it. Wink

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Re: Our security of electricity supply?
Reply #10 - 01. Apr 2011 at 08:11

Nickbat wrote on 31. Mar 2011 at 22:41:

miked wrote on 31. Mar 2011 at 22:20:

Just interested what people's thoughts are with regards to our electricity industry?

http://www.wwf.org.uk/news_feed.cfm?4795/Electric-car-key-to-carbon-cuts

How are we going to travel less?

Where lis the electricity going to be generated to charge all of these cars to keep them 'green'?

What are peoples thoughts regarding the UK nuclear industry?

Mike, don't get me started on the WWF. I truly cannot think of a more odious outfit. Angry

We need nuclear, coal, oil and gas. Not windmills, solar panels or any of the other wacky renewables. Wink

you sure..what about the IPCC

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Re: Our security of electricity supply?
Reply #11 - 01. Apr 2011 at 08:26

I think we need a big return to nuclear.

I suspect that Japan will make the voices of the anti-nuclear mob louder, yet the recent saga of these aging reactors should be looked at as a marvel of engineering - remember they were hit with an earthquake 8 times stronger than their design, and no reactor damage, and all reactor safety systems worked perfectly. They were then hit with a bloody great wave, again not part of their design, which although this wiped out the diesel generators, the reactor safety systems survived, and the cooling was happily running on battery. It was from this point on it all started to go wrong, as they couldn't get mobile generators in place within the hours before the batteries run out - thats a procedural problem, compounded no doubt by the devastation in the area, and lack of that level of diasaster planning (which was 2 natural disasters way bigger than anyone could have imagined).

As I see it, the biggest issue with nuclear is with manmade attempts to damage the reactors.

We have to accept at some point that coal and gas will run low. Solar won't cut it, as demand is highest when the panels aren't working, wind and wave are too unpredictable, we are unsuited to traditional hydro-electric, and stored hydro-electric is only for short term peak demands (hours, and need masses of energy to repump the what back up).

So we should be adopting nuclear, initially to sit along side fossils, then gradually to replace them IMHO.

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Reply #12 - 01. Apr 2011 at 08:56

TheBoy wrote on 01. Apr 2011 at 08:26:

I think we need a big return to nuclear//...

Yes I do agree with that - even though when things do go wrong the possible outcome is sobering to say the least.

There has already been some knee-jerk reaction in light of what happened in Japan and, while understandable, it would be a pity if this placed an obstacle in the way of further adoption of the technology.

I would also agree that it’s the only viable technology currently (

) available to guarantee a stable energy supply in the medium to long term, however this should not preclude the search for alternative but realistic means of generation.

Regarding the unanticipated devastation wreaked in the wake of these twin disasters - you’re quite right, to deal with one would have been bad enough but two at the same time is beyond comprehension. Can any technology be proofed against such natural power?

The full effects of these disasters can be seen (to a point) in the continuing news coverage (NHK) of how the Japanese people are trying to come to terms with what happened and how they’re attempting to get some semblance normality back into their lives, it seems that it will be an arduous process and one befitting the magnitude of this almost unimaginable disaster.

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Nickbat Omega Lord Offline Posts: 7167 London NW7 Gender: Drives: 2002 2.6CD Auto	Re: Our security of electricity supply? Reply #13 - 01. Apr 2011 at 09:30 bigboykarl wrote on 01. Apr 2011 at 08:11: you sure..what about the IPCC I think you'll find the two are more than just passing acquaintances, if you get my drift.
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Re: Our security of electricity supply?
Reply #14 - 01. Apr 2011 at 09:32

Desperate Den wrote on 01. Apr 2011 at 08:56:

The full effects of these disasters can be seen (to a point) in the continuing news coverage (NHK) of how the Japanese people are trying to come to terms with what happened and how they’re attempting to get some semblance normality back into their lives, it seems that it will be an arduous process and one befitting the magnitude of this almost unimaginable disaster.

Cost (financially and emotionally) aside, they will likely come out stronger, more united people. It is true that such tradegic events do bring people together, both families that may have parted, and whole communities as they help each other in this time of need.

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