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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #15 - 08. May 2011 at 12:32

geoffr70 wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:01:

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 11:16:

geoffr70 wrote on 08. May 2011 at 10:31:

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 10:15:

Guffer wrote on 08. May 2011 at 07:51:

It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.

As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar Thumbs Up!

It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.

Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!

With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)

The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.

No, it is you who is getting confused. Check your mam values and you will see you can't tow a mig with a mig. Simples Thumbs Up!

The weight of the towing vehicle does come into it, otherise we'd all be driving artics on car licenses! Thumbs Up!

Mam values, as you call them, are guidelines not law, It is not illegal to tow a trailer of up to 3500kg gross weight with an Omega with the correct license.

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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #16 - 08. May 2011 at 12:34

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:32:

geoffr70 wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:01:

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 11:16:

geoffr70 wrote on 08. May 2011 at 10:31:

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 10:15:

Guffer wrote on 08. May 2011 at 07:51:

It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.

As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar Thumbs Up!

It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.

Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!

With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)

The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.

No, it is you who is getting confused. Check your mam values and you will see you can't tow a mig with a mig. Simples Thumbs Up!

The weight of the towing vehicle does come into it, otherise we'd all be driving artics on car licenses! Thumbs Up!

Mam values, as you call them, are guidelines not law, It is not illegal to tow a trailer of up to 3500kg gross weight with an Omega with the correct license.

Tell it to the judge! Thumbs Up!

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TheBoy Administrator Offline TBE has an MOT! Posts: 64817 Brackley, Northants Gender: Drives: 98 MV6, 03 Elite, 00 25, 89 ZX10	Re: driver and trailer needed Reply #17 - 08. May 2011 at 12:40 Pretty certain if you exceed the manufacturer's maximum for loading or towing, and you get a pull, you will be up a smelly inlet, missing your oar....
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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #18 - 08. May 2011 at 15:54

geoffr70 wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:34:

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:32:

geoffr70 wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:01:

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 11:16:

geoffr70 wrote on 08. May 2011 at 10:31:

Bent valve wrote on 08. May 2011 at 10:15:

Guffer wrote on 08. May 2011 at 07:51:

It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.

As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar Thumbs Up!

It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.

Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!

With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)

The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.

No, it is you who is getting confused. Check your mam values and you will see you can't tow a mig with a mig. Simples Thumbs Up!

The weight of the towing vehicle does come into it, otherise we'd all be driving artics on car licenses! Thumbs Up!

Mam values, as you call them, are guidelines not law, It is not illegal to tow a trailer of up to 3500kg gross weight with an Omega with the correct license.

Tell it to the judge! Thumbs Up!

Seeing as the recommended max. braked towing weight for a 3.0ltr is only 1850Kg it would be foolhardy to say the least

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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #19 - 08. May 2011 at 17:38

TheBoy wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:40:

Pretty certain if you exceed the manufacturer's maximum for loading or towing, and you get a pull, you will be up a smelly inlet, missing your oar....

Yep. Maximum train weight for an Omega is around 4000 Kg for my MV6 (on the plate in the driver's door frame). At the end of the day the combination cannot weigh more than that. The Police could well escort you to a weighbridge and check.

Manufacturer's towing weight, as said, varies from 1700-1850 depending on model.

Even if there were a loophole to exceed this what do you think your insurers or an expert witness called by the courts would say if you were towing 3500 kg and got yourself into trouble?

Kevin

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dad1uk Omega Knight Offline Posts: 1139 Birmingham Gender: Drives: Omega 2.5 Tourer Estate	Re: driver and trailer needed Reply #20 - 08. May 2011 at 18:10 What a shame I was in Leicester yesterday and if it was a manual I'd have put it on the A frame and dragged it up for you..... Hope you get it sorted, if you have any of these blokes with a car transporter around you may find they are fairly reasonable because they would do it for cash (nudge,nudge)!
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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #21 - 08. May 2011 at 19:48

Kevin Wood wrote on 08. May 2011 at 17:38:

TheBoy wrote on 08. May 2011 at 12:40:

Pretty certain if you exceed the manufacturer's maximum for loading or towing, and you get a pull, you will be up a smelly inlet, missing your oar....

Yep. Maximum train weight for an Omega is around 4000 Kg for my MV6 (on the plate in the driver's door frame). At the end of the day the combination cannot weigh more than that. The Police could well escort you to a weighbridge and check.

Manufacturer's towing weight, as said, varies from 1700-1850 depending on model.

Even if there were a loophole to exceed this what do you think your insurers or an expert witness called by the courts would say if you were towing 3500 kg and got yourself into trouble?

Kevin

Manufacturer's towing weights are reccomendations, not law. It is not illegal to tow up to the maxium trailer weight. It is not a loophole, it is fact.

The paragraph below is from the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

In the case of light trailers, that is less than 3500kg maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.

As I said in my original reply, It may not be advisable, but it is not illegal.

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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #22 - 08. May 2011 at 22:56

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In the case of light trailers, that is less than 3500kg maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.

Agreed. I wasn't arguing that there is. There is, however, legislation against overweight vehicles and combinations.

Every vehicle has a plated maximum train weight. On an Omega that is about 4 tonnes (can't be bothered to go and check it). An Omega weighs 1.8 tonnes. Add a 3.5 tonne trailer and you're at 5.3 tonnes, before you include driver and passengers and any load in the Omega.

There may not be a vehicle licensing issue with driving it if suitably licensed, but there is a construction and use issue with driving an overloaded vehicle.

http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/uploads/compliance/VOSA_VehicleSafety_DangersofOverload...

.. and regardless of the legal position, I repeat: What would your insurers or an expert witness make of an incident involving a combination that's overweight by 1.3 tonnes plus?

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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #23 - 08. May 2011 at 23:07

While you may not find a specific law that prohibits a miggy trailing another miggy but the police will probably have you on dangerous driving. Just like it isn't specifically illegal to accelerate the nuts off your car at the lights once it goes green (even within the speed limit) yet the police can have you under other driving laws Thumbs Up!

BC no one is having a pop but there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on here, as well as ex coppers. If you can get your local police to give you direction that what you say is within the word and spirit of the law then you may get more people listening to you Thumbs Up!

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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #24 - 08. May 2011 at 23:15

Not sure which specific car the VIN plate is from, but will suffice.....

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1154543684

Irrespective of what your licence allows you to tow, the car manufacturer says the vehicle has limits. They are stamped on the VIN, as per the example quoted. Exceed them and you are cannon fodder to watchfull trafpol or VOSA.

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hotel21 Administrator Offline Posts: 12766 Doghouse Gender: Drives: into lamposts	Re: driver and trailer needed Reply #25 - 08. May 2011 at 23:43 Just because you know your donkey is the strongest in town and you know how to handle him, doesn't mean that its best to have him do the required task....
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Re: driver and trailer needed
Reply #26 - 09. May 2011 at 00:54

Thanks for all the advice guys. its a 2.2 auto saloon 02 plate. No MOT or TAX and been standing for 15 months on his drive. I was thinking of buying it off him to repair or even break it. Main fault is gearbox not changing properly. Selector issue i think. and sometimes takes a couple of goes to start. He used to use it to drive to work to Coalville till the MOT ran out. Been standing since then. Slight ding in the rear quarter panel , apart from that it was a sound car.. Known the guy for 20 years so i know a bit of the history and the small fortune he has paid the local idiot to try to find out whats was up with it. He's not a member on here even though i've told him to join. He just wants rid of it

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tomoco Omega Knight Offline Posts: 1294 leicester Gender: Drives: 2002 2.6 manual	Re: driver and trailer needed Reply #27 - 09. May 2011 at 01:03 Just trying to work out the cost of paying someone or some company to get it over to my place . Then work out a price to offer him for it. I'll have to ring 118 118 to see if a local firm can quote me. bit skint till june so only researching at the moment.
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o-meg-a Senior Member Offline avatar disabled meantime as its mahoosive! Posts: 592 south wales Gender: Drives: '97 2.5td estate - Manual - chipped	Re: driver and trailer needed Reply #28 - 09. May 2011 at 04:11 http://www.transporterhire.co.uk/ This may be of use to you This is one of several companies, but I think the prices are all fairly similar. worth a shot
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Marks DTM Calib Administrator Offline Ex Member Posts: 25671 Northern Hemisphere Gender: Drives: Astra J, Mum Bus, Dexta Tractor, 108 DMU wip	Re: driver and trailer needed Reply #29 - 09. May 2011 at 11:28 Sounds like it has a faulty cam sensor to me
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