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Del Boy Omega Lord Offline Posts: 9381 Ashford, Kent. Gender: Drives: Various things.	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #15 - 30. Aug 2011 at 23:05 My van had this, which I thought was due to the calliper sticking on, when the calliper was changed it helped a lot, and then I got the tracking done which solved the issue.
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wildhog70

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Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery
Reply #16 - 30. Aug 2011 at 23:24

wildhog70 wrote on 30. Aug 2011 at 22:50:

TheBoy wrote on 30. Aug 2011 at 22:11:

Presumably its been on a brake tester to check for brake imbalance?

Cheers- Every time we have done work to the front the allignment has been checked and is ok. When the brakes are applied the car dives for the hedge. When being driven the car is 100% no drifting to left or right, crabbing, tyre wear or any other symptoms of allignment issues.

Thanks again-Its been to the mot test centre and nothing has registered. However I would agree with you and its a line we have looked into. The brakes lines have been checked for equal braking pressure while the vehicle is stationary. It has not been tested on the move. I am unaware of any facility here to test that. If it was to be brake imbalance, what would cause that? We believe we have checked everything but any fresh ideas would be great!

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wildhog70 Newbie Offline Posts: 37 Drives: 1996 Omega 3.0 Elite Manual	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #17 - 30. Aug 2011 at 23:27 Del Boy wrote on 30. Aug 2011 at 23:05: My van had this, which I thought was due to the calliper sticking on, when the calliper was changed it helped a lot, and then I got the tracking done which solved the issue. thanks - calipers have been stripped, changed and discs swapped all to no avail!
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Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery
Reply #18 - 31. Aug 2011 at 00:13

The car will always follow the camber given half a chance.

If constant prodding and poking doesn't help, then the only solution is:

New not s/h:

Struts
Wishbones
Idler
Track rods

This was the solution on mine. The shocks had gone soft throwing the front end all over the place. combine this with worn/iffy bushes and the wheels do VERY strange things when you load the suspension up during braking/cornering.

Having seen my wheels do what you've described, it is quite chilling Shocked

Even if the front shocks seem to test ok, change them.

Not good news, but HTH Thumbs Up!

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henryd

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Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery
Reply #19 - 31. Aug 2011 at 00:19

taxi al wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 00:13:

The car will always follow the camber given half a chance.

If constant prodding and poking doesn't help, then the only solution is:

New not s/h:

Struts
Wishbones
Idler
Track rods

This was the solution on mine. The shocks had gone soft throwing the front end all over the place. combine this with worn/iffy bushes and the wheels do VERY strange things when you load the suspension up during braking/cornering.

Having seen my wheels do what you've described, it is quite chilling Shocked

Even if the front shocks seem to test ok, change them.

Not good news, but HTH Thumbs Up!

Knackered steering idler would cause n/s wheel to "kick" under braking

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taxi al Senior Member Offline Posts: 772 sussex Gender: Drives: A rather rattly '54' v6 special estate.	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #20 - 31. Aug 2011 at 00:34 Mine was kicking both wheels, both toeing in about 5 degrees each side under load.
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mrgreen Senior Member Offline Posts: 766 Salzburg/austria Gender: Drives: 2.2 facelift caravan	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #21 - 31. Aug 2011 at 20:07 perhaps collapsed brake hose, rare but can happen, how do they look?
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chrisgixer

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Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery
Reply #22 - 31. Aug 2011 at 20:24

Brake imbalance, air in system maybe. They do tow out under braking, look at the side that does not toe out for brake efficiency
Or
Fubar bushes, the side that toes out loosing control of the suspension arm. Lever the wishbones about with a pry bar, do they feel the same both sides?

Are all the parts matched pairs. Like wishbones, shocks, springs, and all the brake components?

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noel Junior Member Offline i feel the need for speed Posts: 187 frome somerset Gender: Drives: 2002 omega cdx 2.6 v6 auto	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #23 - 31. Aug 2011 at 21:15 weak spring/shock or tyre pressure ???
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wildhog70 Newbie Offline Posts: 37 Drives: 1996 Omega 3.0 Elite Manual	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #24 - 31. Aug 2011 at 23:08 noel wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 21:15: weak spring/shock or tyre pressure ??? Thanks mate all checked
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wildhog70

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Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery
Reply #25 - 31. Aug 2011 at 23:09

henryd wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 00:19:

taxi al wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 00:13:

The car will always follow the camber given half a chance.

If constant prodding and poking doesn't help, then the only solution is:

New not s/h:

Struts
Wishbones
Idler
Track rods

This was the solution on mine. The shocks had gone soft throwing the front end all over the place. combine this with worn/iffy bushes and the wheels do VERY strange things when you load the suspension up during braking/cornering.

Having seen my wheels do what you've described, it is quite chilling Shocked

Even if the front shocks seem to test ok, change them.

Not good news, but HTH Thumbs Up!

Knackered steering idler would cause n/s wheel to "kick" under braking

Thanks folks - all of the above either replaced or ok

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wildhog70 Newbie Offline Posts: 37 Drives: 1996 Omega 3.0 Elite Manual	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #26 - 31. Aug 2011 at 23:10 mrgreen wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 20:07: perhaps collapsed brake hose, rare but can happen, how do they look? All replaced and brand new
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Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery
Reply #27 - 31. Aug 2011 at 23:16

chrisgixer wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 20:24:

Brake imbalance, air in system maybe. They do tow out under braking, look at the side that does not toe out for brake efficiency
Or
Fubar bushes, the side that toes out loosing control of the suspension arm. Lever the wishbones about with a pry bar, do they feel the same both sides?

Are all the parts matched pairs. Like wishbones, shocks, springs, and all the brake components?

Thanks - all checked new powerflex put in and rock solid everything is good. Have managed to source another vehicle and I am definately convinced there is imbalance in the brakes. Master cylinder, hoses, pipes, discs, calipers and pads etc are all checked or replaced so now we will start swaping abs parts from the donor to see if we can find a faulty item. I am not throwing any more money at this until i can isolate the culprit part! If this fails i am throwing in the towel!

Any other ideas welcome please

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Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery
Reply #28 - 31. Aug 2011 at 23:26

wildhog70 wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 23:16:

chrisgixer wrote on 31. Aug 2011 at 20:24:

Brake imbalance, air in system maybe. They do tow out under braking, look at the side that does not toe out for brake efficiency
Or
Fubar bushes, the side that toes out loosing control of the suspension arm. Lever the wishbones about with a pry bar, do they feel the same both sides?

Are all the parts matched pairs. Like wishbones, shocks, springs, and all the brake components?

Thanks - all checked new powerflex put in and rock solid everything is good. Have managed to source another vehicle and I am definately convinced there is imbalance in the brakes. Master cylinder, hoses, pipes, discs, calipers and pads etc are all checked or replaced so now we will start swaping abs parts from the donor to see if we can find a faulty item. I am not throwing any more money at this until i can isolate the culprit part! If this fails i am throwing in the towel!

Any other ideas welcome please

Have you checked the mounting backet with the sliding bolts in? I had the same problem, but when i changed the mounting brackets on both sides, the problem was solved.
The problem is that the bolts or the guide is worn unewen on one side, due to earlier corrosion to the bolts.
You will find out when you check the play in the calliper VS. the bracket when brakes are resting after a drive.
I did the same as you, changed the discs, pads, calipers all arround and the hoses, but it was the brackets holding the front callipers.
Just a thought

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freecall666 Senior Member Offline fun for all, get with the program Posts: 656 looking over your shoulder Gender: Drives: 2.0I polar sea blue	Re: Car Diving Left towards the Scenery Reply #29 - 01. Sep 2011 at 00:53 are all the tyers the same size??
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